Why Tim Tebow is great

[bangsportscards]

That force feeling is mis-perceived pressure being felt from not wanting to open up to God's love!

That's all, nothing more.

Brian

[andrewhoya]

Mike, I wish I could see your reactions when you read all these posts from our new friend :-)

[INTIMADATOR2007]

Your logic in this instance is dead on, but you are wholly missing the point of Christianity. We do believe that non-believers will go to hell. The point, however, is that we Christians want everyone else to be Christians also. You said that we want you to go to hell. No, we don't. We want you to believe what we believe, and we want you to go to heaven.

I don't want to force you to believe what I believe, as I wouldn't want anyone to force their beliefs on me. I want you to make that decision on your own. If you choose to not make that decision, there's nothing I can do about it. I don't begrudge you for it. I pity you for it, but not in a sense of moral superiority. I pity you because you don't know what you're missing out on, and it makes me sad for you.

The Christian religion is about love, not hate. That is a fact.

Well said !

[bangsportscards]

God is doing things through Tim Tebow in impacting lives at a real life level and at the same time blessing the team with victories.

While people look at surface issues with their ideas of qualities for a compotent QB, greater things are happening all around in the most meaningful ways.

Amazing.

Let's give the Lord praise.

Use Tebow oh Lord for your message.

Brian

[habsheaven]

God is doing things through Tim Tebow in impacting lives at a real life level and at the same time blessing the team with victories.

While people look at surface issues with their ideas of qualities for a compotent QB, greater things are happening all around in the most meaningful ways.

Amazing.

Let's give the Lord praise.

Use Tebow oh Lord for your message.

Brian

This is too funny. As God blesses the Broncos with victories he damns the opponents with losses. I gotta get some of what your smokin. lmao

[Playhard]

Christians don't believe who don't believe go to he'll, that's catholic!

[ensbergcollector]

Utterly, embarassingly, catastrophically wrong. What you just described is an inductive fallacy. My chain of logic was perfectly internally consistent:

1. God says X.
2. God is always right.
3. Therefore, X is right.

(In this case, X is "non-Christians deserve to go to hell.")

Admittedly, internal consistency is not necessarily indicative of truth. However, if you want to prove that this construction does not accurately reflect reality, you would have to demonstrate that either of the first two premises were false (or at the very least, not scriptural). Can you do that?



Says the guy whose religion rose to power on a platform of well-publicized martyrdom. Just last week I once again heard the "the disciples wouldn't die for a lie, so that proves Jesus was God" argument.

I'm just going to come right out and say that "turn the other cheek and love your enemies" is a stupid way to live. Aren't we lucky the police and the military don't operate on that policy? But no, that doesn't bother me per se; what bothers me is the fact that most self-described Christians operate by doing exactly the opposite of that. All of the most vengeful, vindictive, spiteful, hate-filled and violent people I've ever seen or known were fundamentalist Christians. And I'm also going to state flat-out that I think "You wronged me, so I'm going to wrong you back" is morally superior to "You're different from me, so I'm going to wrong you and then pretend I was ordered to do so by a supernatural being who, through some mind-blowing coincidence, hates all the same people I hate and whose political agenda is identical to mine."

your perfect logic falls apart when instead of saying christians agree with god and instead say christians want anyone who disagrees with them to burn in hell. you made a leap from christians agree with god to christians want people to suffer. therefore, your logic is crap.

as to the second half, you will use whatever crap you can to justify your hatred of christians. i have never known anyone with more hatred toward a group of people then you do toward christians. and you will try and act like you have some "divine" right to hatred because some faceless christian has been mean to you.

so, let me set it straight. christians do not want anyone to go to hell. just because we believe in hell does not equal wanting anyone to go there. You keep talking about christians hating anyone who doesn't agree with them. Problem is, it has nothing to do with agreeing with us. Christianity is about belief and relationship with jesus.

Hatred and venom directed at any group is wrong. You don't get a free pass because you say christians have been mean to you.

[bangsportscards]

Hey habsheaven.

No one is damned in the sense of God looking down and causing some sort of misery to a team.

You can be blessed as well even when the scoreboard isn't in your favor.

All instances ultimately come down to a personal understanding of the Lord.

Brian

[gatorboymike]

Your logic in this instance is dead on, but you are wholly missing the point of Christianity. We do believe that non-believers will go to hell. The point, however, is that we Christians want everyone else to be Christians also. You said that we want you to go to hell. No, we don't. We want you to believe what we believe, and we want you to go to heaven.

The Christian religion is about love, not hate. That is a fact.

If that is so, you fail miserably at convincing me. You and most of your comrades in arms demonstrate nothing I would call love. It is quite obvious from their actions that they do not have anyone else's well-being in mind and never have. It is quite obvious that they are only concerned with finding some excuse to say "Nyah nyah, I'm better than you," and that is what their religion is all about. Plus there's the fact that most sects of Christianity preach the doctrine of irrevocable damnation, which states not that "you'll go to hell unless you join us," but rather "you're going to hell and there's nothing you can do about it." And you wouldn't really want me around you in heaven, either. You have nothing but vitriolic, venom-drenched loathing, abhorrence and contempt for me.

I don't want to force you to believe what I believe, as I wouldn't want anyone to force their beliefs on me. I want you to make that decision on your own. If you choose to not make that decision, there's nothing I can do about it. I don't begrudge you for it. I pity you for it, but not in a sense of moral superiority. I pity you because you don't know what you're missing out on, and it makes me sad for you.

Well, let me drag engsberg's example into this. He says, if you saw somebody standing in the road with a speeding car heading toward them, wouldn't you try to save them? Maybe you don't agree with his analogy, but let's assume you do, because you seem to agree with him about a lot of things.

The way you treat this issue proves that either you do not actually believe what you say, or you do not actually care about my well-being. If you saw a person standing in the road with a speeding car heading toward them in real life, what would you do? Would you, A.) instantly drop what you were doing and jump into the street to grab the person, or, B.) stand there and listlessly offer half-hearted appeals while saying you respect their decision to stand there and get killed by the car, if that's what they really want?

I think we can safely assume going to hell is infinitely worse than being hit by a car. Therefore, if your response is not proportionally increased, you obviously are not treating the two scenarios equally or conceiving of them as equivalent in your mind. I've said before, as your comrade-in-arms engsberg knows, that if you're not grabbing people by the collar and hysterically begging and pleading with them with your every last ounce of strength to change their ways immediately to avoid hell, then you either don't really believe hell awaits them or you don't really care that hell awaits them. Hence, you want me to go to hell. And really, if I go to hell, that just means a bigger slice of the God's Love pie for you, doesn't it?

[Hilfiger1975]

Your logic in this instance is dead on, but you are wholly missing the point of Christianity. We do believe that non-believers will go to hell. The point, however, is that we Christians want everyone else to be Christians also. You said that we want you to go to hell. No, we don't. We want you to believe what we believe, and we want you to go to heaven.

I don't want to force you to believe what I believe, as I wouldn't want anyone to force their beliefs on me. I want you to make that decision on your own. If you choose to not make that decision, there's nothing I can do about it. I don't begrudge you for it. I pity you for it, but not in a sense of moral superiority. I pity you because you don't know what you're missing out on, and it makes me sad for you.

The Christian religion is about love, not hate. That is a fact.

Too bad christian history doesn't follow that fact...