Why Tim Tebow is great

[AUTaxMan]

Funny, that's exactly what I think about your religion.

We aren't talking about my religion. We are talking about your willful ignorance of facts.

[gatorboymike]

We aren't talking about my religion. We are talking about your willful ignorance of facts.

So then you contend that people like Tebow who make egregious public displays of their religion and run around screaming "Look at me! Look at me! I'm a Christian!" are not actually doing so for the glory of themselves but for the god they claim to believe in? You contend that doing so does not violate the scripture they claim to follow? Explain.

[ensbergcollector]

So then you contend that people like Tebow who make egregious public displays of their religion and run around screaming "Look at me! Look at me! I'm a Christian!" are not actually doing so for the glory of themselves but for the god they claim to believe in? You contend that doing so does not violate the scripture they claim to follow? Explain.

while I do not doubt your knowledge of scripture, i do doubt your interpretation of. I think you know scripture in as much as you can use it to argue against it. If you had some historical context and understanding, you would realize that the passage from matthew that you quoted does not even remotely apply to tebow.

Jesus refers to pharisees who would pray to glorify themselves. Saying things like "I thank God that I am not like that tax collector or sinner." There was no attempt to publicly honor God, simply to honor themselves.

Now, if Tim Tebow were saying things like "I would like to thank God that I am not like those lowly sinners out there" then we could talk. If, as your post above says, were simply saying "look at me, look at me, I am a christian and better than you" then we could talk. Instead, he is attempting to bring others to the same belief he has in god. His desire is to give God the glory and not himself. Instead he says things like, "i would like to thank God"

The issue here is that people who do not like christianity, automatically assume that anyone who dares talk about it is trying to control people, push their faith down people's throats, etc.

[gatorboymike]

I really don't see much difference between "Thank you, God, for blessing me with great athletic ability" and "Thank you, God, for making me better than those filthy commoners who aren't as awesome as me." Hence why I called him a Pharisee.

Maybe I wouldn't assume everyone who talks about Christianity did so to try to control people and push their faith down people's throats, if America wasn't so full of people who do exactly that.

[andrewhoya]

I really don't see much difference between "Thank you, God, for blessing me with great athletic ability" and "Thank you, God, for making me better than those filthy commoners who aren't as awesome as me." Hence why I called him a Pharisee.

Maybe I wouldn't assume everyone who talks about Christianity did so to try to control people and push their faith down people's throats, if America wasn't so full of people who do exactly that.

So you're putting the 'blame' on every Christian in the world just because there are thousands of people who do 'exactly that'?

[ensbergcollector]

I really don't see much difference between "Thank you, God, for blessing me with great athletic ability" and "Thank you, God, for making me better than those filthy commoners who aren't as awesome as me." Hence why I called him a Pharisee.

Maybe I wouldn't assume everyone who talks about Christianity did so to try to control people and push their faith down people's throats, if America wasn't so full of people who do exactly that.

there is much more judgment and intolerance coming from you toward christians then from christians toward anyone else.

[gatorboymike]

there is much more judgment and intolerance coming from you toward christians then from christians toward anyone else.

I'm not the one who wishes an eternity of incomprehensibly horrible torture and agony upon everyone who disagrees with me or is different from me just because they disagree with me or are different from me.

[ensbergcollector]

I'm not the one who wishes an eternity of incomprehensibly horrible torture and agony upon everyone who disagrees with me or is different from me just because they disagree with me or are different from me.

if I tell my child "I believe that if you run out into traffic you will be hit by a car" does that mean I wish for my child to be hit by a car?

just because christians believe that those who do not follow jesus will go to hell instead of heaven, in no way equates to all christians wish torture on anyone who disagrees with me.

so, it is ok for you to judge, belittle, verbally assualt christians, etc. because they feel different than you? why gbm, you are becoming that which you despise.

[gatorboymike]

if I tell my child "I believe that if you run out into traffic you will be hit by a car" does that mean I wish for my child to be hit by a car?

More like, you tell your child "An invisible car will hit you, and then keep hitting you forever, if you don't give me back 10% of your allowance and do what I say and vote Republican for your whole life."

just because christians believe that those who do not follow jesus will go to hell instead of heaven, in no way equates to all christians wish torture on anyone who disagrees with me.

You believe God is going to torture everyone who disagrees with you in hell for eternity. You believe everything God does is right. Therefore you believe people who disagree with you being tortured in hell for eternity is a good thing.

so, it is ok for you to judge, belittle, verbally assualt christians, etc. because they feel different than you? why gbm, you are becoming that which you despise.

Do unto others, right? That's what Christians say they believe. Therefore the only possible conclusion when Christians belittle and verbally assault me is that they want me to belittle and verbally assault them. There's really no other possibility. Unless you, being the self-appointed editors of the Almanac of Life, have attached an asterisk to the golden rule, as almanac editors are wont to do, stating that you get to belittle and verbally assault others but others don't get to do it back to you, because you're just so much more awesomer and importanter and specialer than everyone else.

[andrewhoya]

You believe God is going to torture everyone who disagrees with you in hell for eternity. You believe everything God does is right. Therefore you believe people who disagree with you being tortured in hell for eternity is a good thing.

I am a Christian, however I do not believe that non-believers will go to Hell, nor that anyone who disagrees with me religiously will be tortured for eternity.