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[AUTaxMan]

Too bad christian history doesn't follow that fact...

You're right in many instances. That is unfortunate. However, the good far exceeds the bad.

[gatorboymike]

your perfect logic falls apart when instead of saying christians agree with god and instead say christians want anyone who disagrees with them to burn in hell. you made a leap from christians agree with god to christians want people to suffer. therefore, your logic is crap.

Well let's extend that chain of logic and you can show me exactly where I'm wrong.

(From my prior post which you do not dispute)
1. God says non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.
2. God is always right.
3. Therefore, non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.

(From your own words)
4. Christians agree with God.

(Following 3 and 4)
5. Christians agree that non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.

(From scripture)
6. God has a plan for everyone.
7. God's plan is always right and good.
8. God's plan for some people is that they will burn in hell.

(Following 6 and 8)
9. It's right and good that God has planned for some people to burn in hell.

(Following 4 and 9)
10. Christians believe it's right and good that some people will burn in hell.

(By the definitions of right and good)
11. Things that are right and good are desirable.

(Following 10 and 11)
12. Christians desire for some people to burn in hell.

so, let me set it straight. christians do not want anyone to go to hell. just because we believe in hell does not equal wanting anyone to go there. You keep talking about christians hating anyone who doesn't agree with them. Problem is, it has nothing to do with agreeing with us. Christianity is about belief and relationship with jesus.

Yeah, and if I don't AGREE WITH YOU that belief and relationship with Jesus is either possible or desirable, you want me to go to hell.

[habsheaven]

Hey habsheaven.

No one is damned in the sense of God looking down and causing some sort of misery to a team.

You can be blessed as well even when the scoreboard isn't in your favor.

All instances ultimately come down to a personal understanding of the Lord.

Brian

Hey Brian,

In order for God to "bless" one team with a WIN another team has to be saddled with a LOSS. Can't get around that. Always good to see God picking favourites. All instances ultimately come down to a suspension of reality.

[AUTaxMan]

If that is so, you fail miserably at convincing me. You and most of your comrades in arms demonstrate nothing I would call love.

Please tell me what I have done to demonstrate to you otherwise. Also, please tell me who are my comrades in arms.

It is quite obvious from their actions that they do not have anyone else's well-being in mind and never have.

Whose actions? What actions?

It is quite obvious that they are only concerned with finding some excuse to say "Nyah nyah, I'm better than you," and that is what their religion is all about.

Why is it "quite obvious"? What makes you believe that that is what "their religion" is all about?

Plus there's the fact that most sects of Christianity preach the doctrine of irrevocable damnation, which states not that "you'll go to hell unless you join us," but rather "you're going to hell and there's nothing you can do about it."

How much is "most"? Can you please provide specifics as to which sects preach this? Is "most" greater than 50%? How many sects are there?

And you wouldn't really want me around you in heaven, either. You have nothing but vitriolic, venom-drenched loathing, abhorrence and contempt for me.

This is just plain wrong. Are you talking about me specifically, or the collective "you"? If you are talking about me, please provide quotes of my virtiolic, venom-drenched loathing for you.

The way you treat this issue proves that either you do not actually believe what you say, or you do not actually care about my well-being. If you saw a person standing in the road with a speeding car heading toward them in real life, what would you do? Would you, A.) instantly drop what you were doing and jump into the street to grab the person, or, B.) stand there and listlessly offer half-hearted appeals while saying you respect their decision to stand there and get killed by the car, if that's what they really want?

I think we can safely assume going to hell is infinitely worse than being hit by a car. Therefore, if your response is not proportionally increased, you obviously are not treating the two scenarios equally or conceiving of them as equivalent in your mind. I've said before, as your comrade-in-arms engsberg knows, that if you're not grabbing people by the collar and hysterically begging and pleading with them with your every last ounce of strength to change their ways immediately to avoid hell, then you either don't really believe hell awaits them or you don't really care that hell awaits them. Hence, you want me to go to hell.

I have extended the olive branch to you on multiple occasions and drawn back nothing but a nub. I have tried to explain things to you kindly and with open arms, and you do nothing but mock, offend, and ridicule. God gave us all free will. Would grabbing non-Christians by the collar and hysterically begging and pleading with them be more effective, or less effective, in possibly converting them?

And really, if I go to hell, that just means a bigger slice of the God's Love pie for you, doesn't it?

God's love is infinite.

[bangsportscards]

Thoughts here before I head to bed.

I can choose to have a relationship with Jesus or not. Is this easy? It's definitely a challenge. God helps at every step.

For the record I've been a Christian 5 years.

I've found it's easy to mess up in this Jesus relationship. And there's always good reason for it happening.

I have lived life like I wanted to for a long time. I thought everything was fine. I was convinced in my mind that I was okay. It went on for a long time. It happens so easy. One day I came to a breaking point. Man life is tough huh, it can take us for a loop.

I have found that I can do whatever I want and carry on like this for quite a whlile. And these choices really hurt me and caused confusion.

I'm also seeing that I was choosing to do what I wanted and now am able to choose to grow in relationship with Jesus.

I will not win at life without Jesus part of it. I need to be responsible and looking to God for help.

I am very rebellious by nature. This is an ego thing that likes to take over. It takes a lot of work with my Jesus relationship to experience a truly happy life.

God is willing and desiring to give me tools to succeed at everything I set out to do. That is what encourages my will to go on with Jesus.

Ok good night. Tomorrow is a new day for all.

Brian

[AUTaxMan]

Well let's extend that chain of logic and you can show me exactly where I'm wrong.

(From my prior post which you do not dispute)
1. God says non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.
2. God is always right.
3. Therefore, non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.

(From your own words)
4. Christians agree with God.

(Following 3 and 4)
5. Christians agree that non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.

(From scripture)
6. God has a plan for everyone.
7. God's plan is always right and good.
8. God's plan for some people is that they will burn in hell.

(Following 6 and 8)
9. It's right and good that God has planned for some people to burn in hell.

(Following 4 and 9)
10. Christians believe it's right and good that some people will burn in hell.

(By the definitions of right and good)
11. Things that are right and good are desirable.

(Following 10 and 11)
12. Christians desire for some people to burn in hell.



Yeah, and if I don't AGREE WITH YOU that belief and relationship with Jesus is either possible or desirable, you want me to go to hell.

Where did you get #8? That's where you derail.

[ensbergcollector]

Well let's extend that chain of logic and you can show me exactly where I'm wrong.

(From my prior post which you do not dispute)
1. God says non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.
2. God is always right.
3. Therefore, non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.

(From your own words)
4. Christians agree with God.

(Following 3 and 4)
5. Christians agree that non-Christians deserve to burn in hell.

(From scripture)
6. God has a plan for everyone.
7. God's plan is always right and good.
8. God's plan for some people is that they will burn in hell.

(Following 6 and 8)
9. It's right and good that God has planned for some people to burn in hell.

(Following 4 and 9)
10. Christians believe it's right and good that some people will burn in hell.

(By the definitions of right and good)
11. Things that are right and good are desirable.

(Following 10 and 11)
12. Christians desire for some people to burn in hell.



Yeah, and if I don't AGREE WITH YOU that belief and relationship with Jesus is either possible or desirable, you want me to go to hell.

if you don't agree with me that belief and relationship with jesus is either possible or desirable, I do not want you to go to hell. That is the line you are using to justify your anger and yet you have no basis for that statement.

also, the speeding car analogy was yours, not mine. you used it to argue that either people don't believe what they think or they don't care for anyone.

[gatorboymike]

Where did you get #8? That's where you derail.

If God plans for some people to be saved, then it necessarily follows he plans for some people to be damned.

"Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: 'He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'"
- John 12:39-40

"Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens."
- Romans 9:18

"What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction."
- Romans 9:22

"What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded."
- Romans 11:7

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie."
- II Thessalonians 2:11

[bangsportscards]

The flesh (life apart from God through Jesus) is a resistant thing that wants to keep God out and to the side! It wants to be secure and keep people to themselves, thus warring against instead of coming together as community.

We need more of the Spirit!

God's love is greater!

It's good to have you around gatorboymike.

Night from South Carolina!

Brian

[Hilfiger1975]

You're right in many instances. That is unfortunate. However, the good far exceeds the bad.

I guess that just matters who you ask, since dead can't talk, huh?