Why Tim Tebow is great

[AUTaxMan]

Of course not. But YOU do. And "you're so rotten you deserve to be tortured forever" is still an incomprehensibly evil thing to wish upon someone else.

If I believed in Cthulhu, I'm guessing you wouldn't like it if I told you that I was eagerly awaiting the day when he rose up from Rl'yeh so he could eat you and your loved ones.

Where do you keep getting this concept that I "want" you to go to hell? I find it very difficult to reconcile with my prior comment that "we want you to go to heaven."

Also, where did I say you're "rotten"? Like boba said, we're not in the business of judging men's hearts. That's God's. The Bible says that the wages of all sin is death (i.e., going to hell). It is not about being a good person or a bad person. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. This applies to all people, even Christians. However, there is hope for us all in that Christ paid the price for all of our sins through his crucifixion and resurrection. This means that we do not have to pay that price if we accept Jesus as our personal savior.

Your Cthulhu analogy is off the mark, unless you are offended by my wanting you to go to heaven. Would I be terribly offended if you were looking forward to my going to Cthulhu's version of heaven? No.

[duane1969]

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
"For the wages of sin is death."
- Romans 3:23; Romans 6:23

"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?"
- Romans 9:22

"[B]y grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory."
- Ephesians 2:8-9

"[W]hoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
- John 3:18

"[W]hoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
- John 3:36

"[W]hoever does not believe will be condemned."
- Mark 16:16





And you just said you never heard God say non-Christians deserve to go to hell. Seriously, I can't believe you guys sometimes.

Nowhere in any of that does it say that God says non-believers deserve to go to hell. Every verse you quoted speaks to the outcome of rejecting Jesus Christ as your savior.

Nice try at twisting what it says, but you entirely failed to prove your original #1 statement.

You also didn't bother to include the other parts of those scriptures which expands on them. For example, Romans 6:23 says (your quoted part) "For the wages of sin is death" (and the part you conveniently left out) "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Like I said, nice try, but still a failure to prove that God thinks non-believers deserve to go to hell.

[mrveggieman]

Just an FYI. I've subscribed to this thread and will be keeping an eye on it. Just putting that out there for anyone to think about before they post or say something they'll regret.

Wow good thing that I was out of town for the holiday with no access to a computer and it being really hard to follow this site on my cell phone (Ya'll need to get an app for android) or I may have got in trouble. . Seriously though I have read some of Brian's posts on the football forum and he seems like a good guy who didn't mean any harm by posting this thread. But as far as his original post let me give my two cents on the matter. Is it possible that the christian God has blessed Tebow with his athletic abilities to do what he does on the football field yes. However to be fair it is also possible that the God of Islam Allah could have blessed him as well. You can even say the Greek Good Zeus blessed him too. Or you can say that no God has blessed him and that it is all in his head. My point is whatever Tebow is doing is working for him so I am not going to knock him for doing what he feels in his heart is right. Like I said on previous threads Tebow is the anti- jerry fallwell. He is a strong christian who lives a positive life and is not out judging people or being a hyprocryte. You don't hear about Tebow raping anyone at the nightclub, doing drive by shootings, molesting kids, killing dogs or killing anyone while drinking and driving. Wheather or not christanity is a false religion is totally irrelevant to me as far as tebow goes. If Christanity is what keeps tebow grounded and gives him an edge on the football field then more power to him. However there were some interesting points bought up. If there was an athlete who was a open muslim, budhist, atheist, homosexual, etc would he/she be celebrated as an american hero? Just a little food for thought. Feel free to comment back.

Also on a side note does anyone know if Tebow signs autographs ttm?

[mrveggieman]

I am a Christian, however I do not believe that non-believers will go to Hell, nor that anyone who disagrees with me religiously will be tortured for eternity.

+1

I believe if/when some of you go to heaven you will be surprised at who you will see there. There will be people of different races, nationalities, politicial believes and yes religions. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc will be able to sit down with God as brothers and sisters.

[ensbergcollector]

Of course not. But YOU do. And "you're so rotten you deserve to be tortured forever" is still an incomprehensibly evil thing to wish upon someone else.

If I believed in Cthulhu, I'm guessing you wouldn't like it if I told you that I was eagerly awaiting the day when he rose up from Rl'yeh so he could eat you and your loved ones.

and this is where your argument falls apart. if christians are saying to you "i want you to burn in hell" they are 100% wrong and I would be the first to tell them that. If they are simply saying, according to my beliefs, if you don't accept jesus, then you will go to hell, they aren't out of bounds.

if you told me, i hope my god tortures you for eternity, you would be wrong. if you said "according to my beliefs, cthulhu is going to eat you and your loved ones" it would not bother me in the least. why should i care if something i don't believe in is a "threat" to me?

so, for clarification, if someone says "i hope you are tortured for eternity" they are wrong. if they say "according to my beliefs you will be" is not. those are two totally different attitudes and thoughts. christians normally take the latter while you like to imply they take the former. if you "threaten" me with punishment from a god i don't believe in, why the crap should i care?

[AUTaxMan]

+1

I believe if/when some of you go to heaven you will be surprised at who you will see there. There will be people of different races, nationalities, politicial believes and yes religions. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc will be able to sit down with God as brothers and sisters.

Just out of curiosity, why do you believe that?

[bangsportscards]

Veggieman,

That's testimony to how deceived today's society is.

Your mind can think that many ways lead to the same place.

Regardless what your mind says, you can't out think God's truth. God works by spirit.

You're always limited in power when you allow your mind to usurp God's truth.

Sure you can live a good life and that's the subtle work of Satan. Satan is hard at work these days and God is always the Almighty!

Brian

[sanfran22]

+1

I believe if/when some of you go to heaven you will be surprised at who you will see there. There will be people of different races, nationalities, politicial believes and yes religions. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc will be able to sit down with God as brothers and sisters.

You realize that goes directly against what the Bible teaches correct?

[AUTaxMan]

you realize that goes directly against what the bible teaches correct?

+1

Also, mrv, Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

[habsheaven]

and this is where your argument falls apart. if christians are saying to you "i want you to burn in hell" they are 100% wrong and I would be the first to tell them that. If they are simply saying, according to my beliefs, if you don't accept jesus, then you will go to hell, they aren't out of bounds.

if you told me, i hope my god tortures you for eternity, you would be wrong. if you said "according to my beliefs, cthulhu is going to eat you and your loved ones" it would not bother me in the least. why should i care if something i don't believe in is a "threat" to me?

so, for clarification, if someone says "i hope you are tortured for eternity" they are wrong. if they say "according to my beliefs you will be" is not. those are two totally different attitudes and thoughts. christians normally take the latter while you like to imply they take the former. if you "threaten" me with punishment from a god i don't believe in, why the crap should i care?

I think the problem GBM really has with this is that it appears that "good" christians are "OK" with the fact their God sends people to Hell. Not just the people that reject Christ, but even those whom have never heard of him, those without the capacity to decide, and anyone else for that matter.

You may not "want" it to happen, but you still worship a God that does it. My conscience would not allow me to do so. To each his own though, I guess.