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    Why should I be expected to believe?

    I have always been led to believe the following (paraphrasing a bit here, so let's not get caught up in the details):

    If I do not accept Jesus Christ as my saviour in this life, I will not be able to join God in the after life.

    Here are my questions. Why would a God expect me to believe hearsay passed down for 2,000 years by men, all of which started out their lives just as ignorant to the process as I; the only difference between them and I is that they choose to believe?

    Why would this God reject me when I leave this mortal world for basically taking the same stance on hearsay as the society I live in does?

    Why would this one stance of mine outweigh how I lived my life in His eyes? Why does this God place all the emphasis on having a personal relationship with him, rather than having good relationships with my fellow man?

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    The same can be asked of all religions.

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    I have always been led to believe the following (paraphrasing a bit here, so let's not get caught up in the details):

    If I do not accept Jesus Christ as my saviour in this life, I will not be able to join God in the after life.

    Here are my questions. Why would a God expect me to believe hearsay passed down for 2,000 years by men, all of which started out their lives just as ignorant to the process as I; the only difference between them and I is that they choose to believe?

    Why would this God reject me when I leave this mortal world for basically taking the same stance on hearsay as the society I live in does?

    Why would this one stance of mine outweigh how I lived my life in His eyes? Why does this God place all the emphasis on having a personal relationship with him, rather than having good relationships with my fellow man?

    P&R Forum is getting uber existential. My friend, if you ever find the answers to these, please let me know.

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    The same can be asked of all religions.

    Yes it can. I could re-phrase the question but since Christianity is the religion of most on this board, and the religion I know, I figured it best to ask the Christians.

    The question is still valid.

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    P&R Forum is getting uber existential. My friend, if you ever find the answers to these, please let me know.

    Should not the believers have asked themselves these questions already? I have to assume they found adequate answers and therefore chose to believe.

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    This is my two cents on the matter. Despite what some of our more hardened religious believers on here say it is not anyone's responsiblity on here to get you or anyone else to believe in God or not to believe in him. Yes some of them are trying to sway you one way or another but I don't think that is their place to do so. If you are interested in finding God you have to reach out for him yourself. You would be surprised in what he may put in your heart. God may not direct you to become a christian. He may direct you to become a jew, muslim or something else that hasn't been discussed for that matter. Yes people want to strong arm their religion on others and they are poor examples of christians, muslims, jews etc. When it is your time to find God you will go because you want to not because someone strong armed or insulted you. Also go with what's in your heart not the popular religion or what your family and friends follow. I pray offer my sincere prayer that you will one day find what your heart desires.
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    look, some people require proof and evidence before they believe anything. For those people, religion doesn't work. If they choose to seek it they demand god answer to them. God is very upfront, in all religions, that belief will require faith, not proof.

    as to your last question, the whole point of heaven is spending eternity in the presence of God. So, of course your decision about whether to acknowledge him in this life should matter.

    I will repeat what i wrote on the other thread. People want to live a life where they can do whatever they want, deny, curse, etc. God and then when they die, if God is good he better give them what they deserve. It doesn't work like that. I see the appeal of that life choice but it doesn't.

    As to your first question, the people who have found adequate answers are those who took God at his word that it would require faith, instead of waiting around for God to prove himself to them. they found enough reason to put faith in God. I'm actually not trying to make light of it. That is actually the biggest difference.

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    This is my two cents on the matter. Despite what some of our more hardened religious believers on here say it is not anyone's responsiblity on here to get you or anyone else to believe in God or not to believe in him. Yes some of them are trying to sway you one way or another but I don't think that is their place to do so. If you are interested in finding God you have to reach out for him yourself. You would be surprised in what he may put in your heart. God may not direct you to become a christian. He may direct you to become a jew, muslim or something else that hasn't been discussed for that matter. Yes people want to strong arm their religion on others and they are poor examples of christians, muslims, jews etc. When it is your time to find God you will go because you want to not because someone strong armed or insulted you. Also go with what's in your heart not the popular religion or what your family and friends follow. I pray offer my sincere prayer that you will one day find what your heart desires.

    Thanks for the response but it doesn't answer the question. I am not looking to find God in my own way. I simply want to know why do you think God "expects/requires" me to believe in Him?

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    This is my two cents on the matter. Despite what some of our more hardened religious believers on here say it is not anyone's responsiblity on here to get you or anyone else to believe in God or not to believe in him. Yes some of them are trying to sway you one way or another but I don't think that is their place to do so. If you are interested in finding God you have to reach out for him yourself. You would be surprised in what he may put in your heart. God may not direct you to become a christian. He may direct you to become a jew, muslim or something else that hasn't been discussed for that matter. Yes people want to strong arm their religion on others and they are poor examples of christians, muslims, jews etc. When it is your time to find God you will go because you want to not because someone strong armed or insulted you. Also go with what's in your heart not the popular religion or what your family and friends follow. I pray offer my sincere prayer that you will one day find what your heart desires.

    you realize that by taking that stance you are making all religions false. every religion claims to be the only one. Every holy book asks their followers to seek out and save the lost. How can you say it isn't their place to do so? Every version of God asks that of his followers. Now, I am firmly against anyone strong arming or insulting, or scaring someone into belief. If I may ask, what kind of church do you attend and how often do you agree with the lesson? Because if it is a christian church, i would have to assume you disagree with a large percentage of what is taught.

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    Thanks for the response but it doesn't answer the question. I am not looking to find God in my own way. I simply want to know why do you think God "expects/requires" me to believe in Him?


    To be honest none of us can answer that question. That is something that only God can answer for you.

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