Jesse spewing crap again

[whereisreggienobl]

So the eye witness was being dishonest about seeing Trayvon on top of George while beating his face in while George was screaming? They could have a video tape of the entire incident and some people would still deny themselves the truth. Racial paranoia gets you no where. I listed to the recording twice, and clearly heard punks. Of course it all depends on what tape you listen to the version that was "enhanced" by the media, or the actual recording. If you seriously in your heart think that George hunted this kid down to kill him let alone because he was black I feel sorry for you and the paranoid life you must live.

Well let me just say I heard what I heard without being prompted before I had read anything about the case. My introduction to Trayvon Martin was when the 911 calls were released. That's my word.

I feel sorry for the paranoid life George Zimmerman lived in. This is a man who was playing make believe, carrying around his 9mm, trying to catch bad guys. Is it at all possible he perceived a threat where it didn't exist?

He has called 911 56 documented times in recent years, an ex-girlfriend filed a restraining order against him, he was fired from a job for his quick temper, and who once drunkenly shoved a police officer who was questioning his underage friend at a bar. Is it not possible this guy isn't just out looking for a situation?

I don't believe that he intended to kill Trayvon, but I do think that he was overzealous in his "neighborhood watch". The moment Mr. Zimmerman left his vehicle, he abandoned his right to self defense. He was already asked by the 911 operator NOT to follow Trayvon, and then he clearly is heard saying "these A#holes always get away". That is not in dispute.

So, my position is, if you go looking for trouble, and then actually find it, you can't hide behind self-defense. Trayvon almost certainly grew annoyed and asked him why he was being followed, and if there was a problem, as most people would. Seriously. Zimmerman was actively following him. When I had just turned 17 years old, I most certainly would have been alarmed by a 28 year old man on a cell phone following me on my walk home from the store.

This is where people are missing the point. A confrontation, at this moment, is 100% Zimmermans fault. If he was sufficiently alarmed by Trayvon in the neighborhood, all he had to do was remain in his vehicle, and police would have arrived as they did anyway, 5 minutes later. He left his vehicle and followed him, trying to play police officer.

About the screaming, I know that there is footage of a man shielded by his front door who describes a man in a red shirt on the ground. That is the only eyewitness that I have read or seen footage of that describes a witness who backs up Zimmermans story. I do find it extremely odd that he would claim he was screaming for Help in his police testimony if he wasn't. Also, I'm suspicious of the "audio experts" who came out with a 48% match of Zimmerman's voice, which they say statistically excludes the calls for Help of being Zimmerman.

Here's why it's Trayvons voice to me, and not Zimmerman's. And it was my gut feeling from the moment I first heard the tape. When the shot is fired, the screams cease immediately. All that's left is a very, very chilling bullet reverberation. If that was Zimmerman screaming for help, something else would be heard. You're screaming for your life, shooting somebody on top of you isn't going to silence you immediately. You would still be saying help, panting, sobbing, something. That is my gut feeling, nothing more.

And I want to ask this question. If it is proven that those cries for HELP are not Zimmerman's voice, how differently does it make you feel about this case?

[steelers#1fan]

Why would this be?

okay, he wasn't charged. That was a typo on my part. He was processed, and the lead detective recommended charges. Why he wasn't charged, I have no idea, and THAT is the reason it is national news. The 911 calls were also dramatic, and ridiculous, that that has a lot to do with it as well.

BUT...if zimmerman had been charged, it never would have become a national news story.

[mrveggieman]

Why would this be?

People of all races kill each other every day and go to jail for it. Not a big story. If a grown man stalks, hunts down and murders an innocent child like an animal and gets away scott free it is going to be national news.

[shrewsbury]

If it is proven that those cries for HELP are not Zimmerman's voice, how differently does it make you feel about this case?

if that is the case zimmerman is guilty of murder

[whereisreggienobl]

Why would this be?

Well that's what the outrage is about. I read horrible stories in the news every day, but there's not too many where the killer confesses and isn't even charged with a crime.

It honestly blows my mind that anybody thinks Zimmerman has a valid defense here. You can't just go around stalking underage citizens, and when a confrontation breaks out, you shoot the kid dead...then claim self defense. It's insane.

And this is the kicker. There is simply no getting around this question. Do you honestly believe if the races were reversed, that the 28 year old black shooter would not have had the living crap kicked out of him on the scene by police? Then held without bail until trial?

If Trayvon was a white teen named Travis with an iced tea & skittles in his hoody pocket, do you honestly think he would've even caught Zimmerman's attention?

[Lynco Cards]

People of all races kill each other every day and go to jail for it. Not a big story. If a grown man stalks, hunts down and murders an innocent child like an animal and gets away scott free it is going to be national news.

Veggie have you seen his Facebook. Innocent Child is far from what this kid was. Checkout his facebook flipping off the world and flashing gang signs with his pants half way down and looking like a THUG. I am not saying he was in the wrong and Zimmerman is not guilty but i am tired of the News media showing pictures of him at age 12 and portraying him as a little Sunday School kid when in fact he was far from that.

[whereisreggienobl]

Veggie have you seen his Facebook. Innocent Child is far from what this kid was. Checkout his facebook flipping off the world and flashing gang signs with his pants half way down and looking like a THUG. I am not saying he was in the wrong and Zimmerman is not guilty but i am tired of the News media showing pictures of him at age 12 and portraying him as a little Sunday School kid when in fact he was far from that.

The news media is dead wrong for some of the coverage, and I agree they should have used more recent pictures.

That said, the picture with the shirt off flipping the middle fingers isn't even him. This was a picture that a racist website tried to associate with Trayvon, and then you know how the internet goes.

He had a picture with some gold teeth, big whoop. He smoked some weed, quadruple big whoop. He may have even been in a few fights, I know I was in a few in high school. Teenagers are awkward people, always trying new things. Let's not pretend.

Further, his father is a mason who goes around volunteering his time and cleaning up his community. And you can tell they had a strong father son relationship. In my opinion, this pretty much assures Trayvon was far from a rotten apple. The THUG label is so outdated, and misused.

[mrveggieman]

Veggie have you seen his Facebook. Innocent Child is far from what this kid was. Checkout his facebook flipping off the world and flashing gang signs with his pants half way down and looking like a THUG. I am not saying he was in the wrong and Zimmerman is not guilty but i am tired of the News media showing pictures of him at age 12 and portraying him as a little Sunday School kid when in fact he was far from that.

So because a kid likes to put dumb things online that is someway suggests that he should be murdered? Hell if that's that case then all of us need to be murdered.

[Lynco Cards]

So because a kid likes to put dumb things online that is someway suggests that he should be murdered? Hell if that's that case then all of us need to be murdered.

I made it clear that he should not have been killed. I just said he was not the perfect little angel the media is portraying him as.

[Lynco Cards]

The news media is dead wrong for some of the coverage, and I agree they should have used more recent pictures.

That said, the picture with the shirt off flipping the middle fingers isn't even him. This was a picture that a racist website tried to associate with Trayvon, and then you know how the internet goes.

He had a picture with some gold teeth, big whoop. He smoked some weed, quadruple big whoop. He may have even been in a few fights, I know I was in a few in high school. Teenagers are awkward people, always trying new things. Let's not pretend.

Further, his father is a mason who goes around volunteering his time and cleaning up his community. And you can tell they had a strong father son relationship. In my opinion, this pretty much assures Trayvon was far from a rotten apple. The THUG label is so outdated, and misused.

And ZIMMERMAN was also a tutor for all races including black kids and he is labeled a racist???? The media has DUG DUG and DUG more and they could find NO RACISM in anything he has ever done. This CASE is all about POLITICS and its sad. And we wonder why the divide among races is becoming greater and greater. I can only see this getting worse in the years to come.