How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[habsheaven]

and that is why i have stayed out of this thread. there are people who don't actually want answers, just an opportunity to bash christianity.

care to explain mastery? so if I file my taxes as head of household am I being sexist?


"husbands, love your wives, just as christ loves the church"

"husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them"

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

yeah, explain these quotes in a culture that look upon women as non-people

Nowhere there does it say or imply "husbands treat your wives as equal". Moreso, it implies that they are your possessions and you should treat them well.

[theonedru]

and that is why i have stayed out of this thread. there are people who don't actually want answers, just an opportunity to bash christianity.

care to explain mastery? so if I file my taxes as head of household am I being sexist?


"husbands, love your wives, just as christ loves the church"

"husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them"

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

yeah, explain these quotes in a culture that look upon women as non-people

But I do want answers, But you can't use the bible, use actual unarguable hard facts to move me..... If someone can use scientific fact to prove Christianity and the bible then I am all for it.

[AUTaxMan]

Nowhere there does it say or imply "husbands treat your wives as equal". Moreso, it implies that they are your possessions and you should treat them well.

where in the new testament does it imply that husbands own their wives?

[Paddington]

care to explain your double standard, if he created all things but not lying then he did not create all things.... And God did not write the bible, man did so there goes that theory as well......

I did explain it. Again, it means that He created all OBJECTS He didn't create all behaviors. People choose to behave the way that they do. He doesn't force them. He did give them the ability to do those things because He wanted to give us free will. He told the authors what to write and they wrote it. Many times they didn't understand what they were writing themselves.

After penning the Book of Daniel, Daniel Himself said this

Da 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Da 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

[Paddington]

I have a problem with this:

Paddington says, "It DOES all fit together and it wasn't written by one man, it was written by 40 men over a 1500 year period in different parts of the world and many of them didn't have access to the others writings. God inspired them. God controlled what was written. There is no way that it isn't God's word."

My understanding is that the bible was compiled by a "council of religious leaders" that basically reviewed 100's of writings and only those that fit a certain criteria were included in the bible. If that is the case, how can anyone claim that the fact all the books "fit" together means they are undeniably, God's words?

How the bible was compiled (by man) automatically casts doubt on its authenticity as "God's word".

This video will explain this to you perfectly. It IS God's word. Here's how the council chose the books. One criteria was that it had to have been written by an eyewitness to the events.


http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D76LD7NX

[shrewsbury]

yikes

first let me state as a christian my views are not limited to the new testament.

the early christians, before the establishment of the "church", viewed women as equals to men and their writing and the works of paul testify to this.

the old testament is the old covenant of god with his chosen people, jesus was the way for all of us to get to god, so the old testament does not weigh much on my christian beliefs but respected for the history of the hardships people have undertaken in antiquity.

[habsheaven]

where in the new testament does it imply that husbands own their wives?

Huh? The implication is right in the quotes I quoted.

[habsheaven]

This video will explain this to you perfectly. It IS God's word. Here's how the council chose the books. One criteria was that it had to have been written by an eyewitness to the events.


http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D76LD7NX

Thanks for the video. However, that only confirms what I was saying. Men decided what to include in the Bible. It doesn't matter what criteria they used because they alone were the ones deciding what writings fit the criteria.

[shrewsbury]

If someone can use scientific fact to prove Christianity and the bible then I am all for it.

and what would this entail?

the sciences are constantly being updated. archaeology, paleontology, and even physics are being understood at different levels. the major issue is science often does not accept new ideas that do not fit old ideas.

you can explain many things from the bible with science, but many are not a recognized hypothesis. you can look at the military strategies of the bible and not only see viable and often quite advanced military tactics, but also these methods are still used to this day. the geography of the bible is quite accurate, with not only recent finds backing the existance of many biblical cities but even the surrounding terrain.

now when we jump to the new testament we have little evidence to prove much. the books of the new testament cannot be traced back via actual finds, with the oldest piece from the works of john dating to around 120 ad. but we see other christian works from nearly the same era. we have one piece of evidence that pilot existed, but your not getting much more.

when we look at all the writings it would seem logical that someone did something in the early 20-30 ad's that caused the birth and movement of christianity. but besides this it is a matter of opinion, belief, and/or faith. but christianity is all about faith.

[habsheaven]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the bible has many factual statements in it, the problem is that it contains so many more things that science has emphatically proved wrong.