How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[JustAlex]

You mean the CRUELEST lie in the world. Just think of how many god-fearing people that kill their loved ones to "save" them from the misery they do not want them to experience on this earth. In the belief that they will live happily ever after in Heaven.

Yes....agreed!

Christianity terrorizes the human mind into thinking they will be eternally tortured, and the only way to save themselves is to give up your one and only life.

And then like you said, all the people that kill others to "save" them or because God told them to do it for whatever reason.


BTW....I used to be a Christian myself, I believed the bible with all my heart and everything that goes along with it.

However, once I actually used my brain, I realized it was a complete LIE!

[shrewsbury]

Yes....agreed!

Christianity terrorizes the human mind into thinking they will be eternally tortured, and the only way to save themselves is to give up your one and only life.

And then like you said, all the people that kill others to "save" them or because God told them to do it for whatever reason.


BTW....I used to be a Christian myself, I believed the bible with all my heart and everything that goes along with it.

However, once I actually used my brain, I realized it was a complete LIE!

then your understanding of christianity is much different than mine. terrorizing? tortured? give up your life? killing others? using your brain?

if hell is the only reason you are a christian, you can bet you will be going there.
if giving up your life means you can't steal, rape, kill, cheat, or be violent, then i guess i am willing to give mine up.
more people kill than just christians and i am sure that most christians who are murderers, may only be claiming to be christian.
i don't remember jesus killing, terrorizing or telling people they better listen or they will be tortured for eternity.

the things you peak of is mans influence on christianity not christianity itself.

and to use your brain, to me, means to try to realize where the bible came from and how it came to be in the form we are reading it today, not just blindly reading words and listening to interpretations of them.

[JustAlex]

then your understanding of christianity is much different than mine. terrorizing? tortured? give up your life? killing others? using your brain?

if hell is the only reason you are a christian, you can bet you will be going there.
if giving up your life means you can't steal, rape, kill, cheat, or be violent, then i guess i am willing to give mine up.
more people kill than just christians and i am sure that most christians who are murderers, may only be claiming to be christian.
i don't remember jesus killing, terrorizing or telling people they better listen or they will be tortured for eternity.

the things you peak of is mans influence on christianity not christianity itself.

and to use your brain, to me, means to try to realize where the bible came from and how it came to be in the form we are reading it today, not just blindly reading words and listening to interpretations of them.

What you said is basically the talking points to every christian out there, almost word for word.

#1 YES, Hell and Heaven is the ONLY reason people are christians, they are afraid to go to hell, so they obediently follow the bible blindly for fear that if they don't they will wind up in hell, there is NO other reason to be a christian other than the pursuit of going to heaven instead of hell.

#2 Why do you think that giving up your life means not being able to do horrendous things such as rape and murder?

When I say that christians give up their life I mean because they have to be like sheep to the church, they think that minuscule things like having sex before marriage is a HUGE SIN, and they live in fear that "God" is going to punish them.

Also, according to the bible even THINKING is a sin.

YES, I would equivilate that to giving up your life!

After all, Jesus basically said, give up the "world" and follow me.

#3 Actually, Jesus said that NO ONE will be allowed in heaven except by accepting him.

So YES, he is saying either repent and follow me or be DAMNED for ALL eternity.

I would equivilate this to terrorizing someone by forcing him to do what he says because if you don't he's going to torture you for all eternity.

[shrewsbury]

again, your idea of christianity and mine differ so greatly, i am unsure we are even talking about the same thing.

christians don't need to go to church.
if getting to heaven or not going to hell is your reason for believing, then you were taught wrong.
we don't live n fear of god, heck he is my best friend

Actually, Jesus said that NO ONE will be allowed in heaven except by accepting him.

So YES, he is saying either repent and follow me or be DAMNED for ALL eternity.

I would equivilate this to terrorizing someone by forcing him to do what he says because if you don't he's going to torture you for all eternity.

that's a stretch there

obviously you are trolling, but if you think you know about jesus, and this is the type of stuff you say, then you must have only been told what to think and never used your brain as you stated you have.

[habsheaven]

Actually to characterize the "threat of Hell on a child" as terrorizing is not a stretch at all.

[shrewsbury]

Actually to characterize the "threat of Hell on a child" as terrorizing is not a stretch at all.

and this is christian like?

i guess the real issue here (for me) is my view of christianity is quite different than what people are saying here, so different in fact, that most of it does not make sense to me.

[Star_Cards]

I agree that the threat of hell and eternal damnation would be considered terrorizing to some degree. It's not terrorizing as some actions, but it's definitely a product used to put fear into people. Hell is most definitely used as a deterrent and it's a rather scary one at that.

Now, that's not to say that the Hell deterrent is the only reason why believers believe, but it has to be in the back of the mind of most.

[JustAlex]

and this is christian like?

i guess the real issue here (for me) is my view of christianity is quite different than what people are saying here, so different in fact, that most of it does not make sense to me.

Well, if you have a different view from the mainstream Christians then you are a rare breed.

However, when I talk about Christians, I'm talking about those that believe any and ALL people who don't accept Jesus will be burned in HELL for all eternity.

That's what the bible teaches.

[theonedru]

Most Christians live their life according to some book put together by a bunch of guys and take it as the word of God instead of actually following in the footsteps and the teachings of Jesus which very very few Christians are willing to do. If a Christian is really truly a Christian then they would emulate Christ as much as possible.

[shrewsbury]

[QUOTE]Most Christians live their life according to some book put together by a bunch of guys and take it as the word of God instead of actually following in the footsteps and the teachings of Jesus which very very few Christians are willing to do. If a Christian is really truly a Christian then they would emulate Christ as much as possible[QUOTE]

i am shocked, some one has said something about christians i agree with.

and the problem with doing this is, it is very, very, very hard. but even at 1/2% the results are amazing.

we are not seeking to do miracles or damn anyone to anything, just trying to be the best person we can and use jesus as our ultimate example.