Why do Americans reject Evolution so much?

[JustAlex]

again, you are asking for evidence and facts when it comes to religion. we are very open and saying i believe based on faith, not evidence. for you to continue to demand evidence is picking a fight.

No, I'm not picking a fight.

Let's talk about evolution.

Many times in this thread creationists posted that Evolution is "Just a Theory"....later I said, Yes, Gravity is also "just a theory".

Later I brought up links and photos of Transitional fossils....these are evidence of evolution and yet creationists still refuse them and continue going back to the bible.

Why is it fair for you guys to use "FAITH" and say "Stop fighting with us"....but when we use actual evidence you will not accept them and continue to say that your religion is right.

Either way, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing.

you keep talking about what it takes to win and argument or win in a court of law. no one here is trying to win anything except you. you are trying to prove how wrong religion is and prove how smart and right you are.

The Court of law argument was simply an analogy, and maybe I shouldn't have said "win an argument".

I fully know that trying to "win" an argument is nearly impossible.

I should NOT have said it that way, I was Wrong...

again, you joined a sports web site just to call out christians on a sub-forum. i wonder very much how you stumbled upon this forum.

I already answered this question before.

I'm a HUGE sports fan and I'm a collector....ask me anything you want on any of the major sports I'll give you my opinion on it using any and all knowledge that I have about it, and guess what, even for sports arguments, I'll still use facts and evidence to back up my position.

like you said you require evidence and facts. really? you are asking for evidence and facts where there are none. for you to keep demanding them is badgering and ridiculous. again, you joined a sports card website just to pick fights with christians.

Do you see what this particular thread is about?

It's about Evolution, once someone mentions the bible and religion I have no choice but to ask for proof for their position.

Just like someone demands proof for evolution and I'm VERY HAPPY to give them any and all evidence that science has found.

If you want to refute those findings with religion....is that fair?

Is it fair to say "You can't ask for evidence for my faith, but I can criticize your position with my religion"

How is that fair?

[shrewsbury]

the great thing is you haven't proven anything except you claim to know about the bible and it is obvious you do not.

you want proof of god but you have little proof of anything you present

gravity?

well do you know there are different views on gravity and in fact einstien says it isn't even a real force, but it is space pushing us against earth not gravity pulling us into it.

so you can pretend to know science has all the answers but really it is full of great and not so great hypothesis, not definite answers.

you can't even agree on how we evolved, if we did, but yet evolution is fact.

you are on some quest to destroy something you cannot and your new found love of science has blinded you into seeing only one side of things.

eistien was agnostic not an atheist perhaps you could learn something from him

[JustAlex]

the great thing is you haven't proven anything except you claim to know about the bible and it is obvious you do not.

I do know the Bible and unlike millions of Americans who claim to be christian and yet have never read the bible, I have...

you want proof of god but you have little proof of anything you present

Yeah OK....I guess all those links I posted about transitional fossils and when I discussed about DNA...that wasn't proof?

you can't even agree on how we evolved, if we did, but yet evolution is fact.

All scientists are in agreement that Evolution is true, they are all in agreement that life has diversified over millions of years and share a common ancestor.

The Evidence to back up this claim include fossils, DNA, vestigial organs, natural selection, etc.

Now....what is it that we can't agree on???

you are on some quest to destroy something you cannot and your new found love of science has blinded you into seeing only one side of things.

I don't want to destroy anything.

And Science hasn't blinded me, it has done the opposite, it has made my mind clearer by questioning everything and not accepting things on faith but rather objective evidence!

The sole purpose of Science is knowledge!

eistien was agnostic not an atheist perhaps you could learn something from him

I don't care what Einstein was....he could've been a muslim for all I care!

The only thing I take from Einstein is that his theories worked and he literally changed the physics world.

[shrewsbury]

so then tell me how all scientist say we went from quadraped to bipedal?

considering there are multiple hypothesis for this transition the choice is up to you, but if you agree with the aquadic does that mean the rest are false? if so, why don't all "scientists" agree on it?

you want to argue general scientific principles but yet cannot supply any hard facts for their basis.

fossils? so i don't beleive in fossils or dinosaurs because i am a christian?
tell me where the life force came from that created the life needed to evolve, show me the proof of this, it is then you will finally meet god and realize he is a science geek too.

and because you read something does not mean you understand it nor posses the skills to debate it.

[JustAlex]

so then tell me how all scientist say we went from quadraped to bipedal?

OK, so I'm not a biologist, my knowledge is limited, but I will try my best:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...uman_evolution

[youtube]g1lHbCyZWt4[/youtube]

Basically it just took MILLIONS of years and natural selection for humans to go from Chordates to Tetrapods to Mammals and so on...

tell me where the life force came from that created the life needed to evolve, show me the proof of this, it is then you will finally meet god and realize he is a science geek too.

You are talking about Abiogenesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

And although Abiogenesis is not as concrete as Evolution at the moment it's the best we've got.

It might take many years before we fully understand how "Life came to happen".

Right now, it's an "Unknown" but that doesn't mean we automatically say "God did it".....basically this is the "God of the gaps" fallacy.

and because you read something does not mean you understand it nor posses the skills to debate it.

Yes, I know.

That's why it takes time to study and fully understand things.

I was a Christian for many years (more than 15) and funny enough I was just like you.

Until I took time and looked at the evidence that science presents and it was OVERWHELMING, everything I thought was true was shattered.

It took YEARS for me to "De-convert" from christianity....I didn't want to accept Evolution and science.

But at the same time, I couldn't ignore the evidence and facts, that's what finally killed my belief in the bible.

[JWinn]

Look at crows for instance, crows can mourn the death of another, they can avoid areas where they have experienced traumatic events. They can problem solve, create and use tools. If an animal can be intelligent to do this then why can't they pleasure in the suffering of others........

Just to throw this out there;

Some Bottle-nosed Dolphins are known to kill for sport, and play with the small mammals they kill, such a infant seals.

It's like watching a soccer game. They toss it back and forth, and never consume it.

It's a sign of their intelligence.

My family went swimming with Dolphins at the Hilton on the Big Island of Hawaii, and I got into a big argument with the girl who took us into the pool. I was trying to point out how smart they are, and that again, it was a sign of their intelligence, but she didn't want to hear anything that made her "pets" seem bad.


Also, I have seen crows mourn the death of companions myself. They are indeed very intelligent, and learn from experiences. When I go outside with my pellet gun, they hit the road, FAST. When I don't, they stick around & taunt me. lol

They know exactly what the pellet gun is......

[shrewsbury]

really, you didn't answer anything and you are still using wikipedia as your source?!

the funny thing is you think you know more about science than someone who is a christian, just because they say they are a christian.

you are looking from the outside in and it looks pretty nice but come in side, get down low and take a look at the floor and corners where the dirty stuff is hidden from view.

[JustAlex]

really, you didn't answer anything and you are still using wikipedia as your source?!

YES I'm still using wikipedia as my source!!!

BTW I'm one of the FEW people on here that actually bothers to post links, videos and sources.

Why don't you give me any sources to back up your position???

Or are they all going to be from "Answers in Genesis.org"

And I clearly said I'm NOT a biologist, the only way I can respond to your question is to post sources!

I also posted a very informative video on Human evolution....did you bother to see it??

the funny thing is you think you know more about science than someone who is a christian, just because they say they are a christian.

Did I ever say I know more science than a christian?

NO, I DIDN'T!

However, I'm inclined to believe that I DO know more science than you, for one thing YOU reject evolution when 99.9% of the Scientific community says it's true.

I am also able to understand the basic principles of Evolution, and I'm not making baseless comments about whether or not we have "hard evidence".

You don't think Transitional fossils is "hard evidence"?

When you see how much the Human skull has changed in the past 4 million years....that's HARD EVIDENCE!!!

[JustAlex]

More informative videos on Evolution:

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[shrewsbury]

evolution and human evolution are two different things. and when did i say i did not believe in it?

you still have yet to tell me why your "hard science" that agrees on so much cannot agree on the very thing that helped us evolve.

a couple of bone fragments does not equal proof of human evolution, there are so many holes, such as the hobbits of flores, science cannot explain it all and it is only people like you who think they do.

when the first dna gene sequence was ran the scientist who accomplished it said he now believes in god. but that's not hardcore science enough for you