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06-13-2012, 09:26 PM #21
When did Dirk carry a team alone? When has LeBron? Because they made the playoffs? The Thunder with just Durant would make the playoffs.
This is such a dumb argument every time. Kobe won with Shaq. Dirk needed Chandler, Kidd, Marion and plenty of others. LeBron hasn't won a damn thing.
Durant could get just as far as those guys if you took RW off the team - and to win anything important, just like those guys, he needs help as well.
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06-13-2012, 09:53 PM #22
Back to back seasons with the best record in the NBA was ALL LeBron?
Newsflash: He had a TEAM built around him to compliment his game in Cleveland.
You're making it out to be like he played with a bunch of superstars when in all actuality, he played around mostly a bunch of role players. If anything, he made the role players around him better. Look at how bad some of those rosters were that he played on. The best player he played with in Cleveland was Mo Williams, and even then he was only a borderline star. Those are some teams he had built around him in Cleveland. Give me a break.
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06-13-2012, 10:12 PM #23
And yet you failed to respond to the point I made about them having the best record in the NBA back to back seasons. You don't win 126 out of 164 games with one superstar and no one around him.
And I never said he played with superstars in Cleveland....but I guess you didn't even read the post I made. He played on a TEAM BUILT AROUND HIS SKILLS, and that's why those teams won more regular season games than LeBron has won in Miami.Last edited by nadeau01_johnson48; 06-13-2012 at 10:14 PM.
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06-13-2012, 10:43 PM #24
Could you name at least two great players that are better than the just "good", kevin durant, on the thunder squad?
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06-13-2012, 10:50 PM #25
How did I fail to respond? From what I gathered, you basicly said that Lebron had help from other people. Basketball is a team effort much like most sports, so technically you are correct, but more of it was Lebron than the people around him. I'd like to see how well those teams would've done without Lebron. But wait, we can. 2010-11 their record was 19-63. Thank you for also restating my point in the beginning about how he LED those teams. He made those role players better. That's why those Cavalier teams played so well.
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06-13-2012, 10:51 PM #26
He never said LeBron wasn't the leader of the team, what he said is the team did well because it was a team built around him.
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06-13-2012, 10:55 PM #27
I know he didn't, but I did say that he led that team. That's the point I've been trying to make. He never played with guys like Westbrook or even Harden. For a sixth man, I'd argue that Harden is better than anybody Lebron ever played with in Cleveland. It would be interesting to see what Durant would be able to do with teams similar to those Cavalier clubs.
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06-14-2012, 12:07 AM #28
Durant is soft he hugs his mom after games
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06-14-2012, 09:12 AM #29
So first it's that he's a role player, and now soft for hugging his mom?
*sigh*
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06-14-2012, 10:13 AM #30
See this is the major fault with the thought process. Or maybe just James' apologists. You do not need stars around you to win. You need competent players. Or as you put it "role". You don't win that many games or even go deep into the playoffs without competent players around you. Lebron wasn't scoring 88PPG and dragging his team across the finish line in Cleveland. His numbers, in fact, look very similar now to then. Similar to Iverson in Philly. Those teams are built, correctly may I add, to complement their stars. When they up and go, it's like taking the motor out of an engine. Of course they are going to struggle. Fans want to shout "look who he had" but those same guys were good enough to get them best records and NBA Finals appearances.
TBH your thought process may be another factor in why people are saying ring or bust for Lebron.....
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