Once again Rush is right .

[habsheaven]

I DID hear his entire speech. Again, I direct you back to my last comment on PERSPECTIVE.

Limbaugh did not seize on one line and it wasn't out of context. If you heard his entire speech on the issue, you would know this.

[Star_Cards]

No, he is not 100% wrong. He viewed the speech from HIS own perspective. Just like YOU viewed it from yours. People opposed to Obama are ALWAYS going to see everything in a certain unfavourable light. Just as those that are willing to give him a chance are going to see the opposite. The point of the thread is LIMBAUGH pulls one line out of the speech (out of context) and goes on the attack. It has been said 1000 times, RUSH LIMBAUGH is a JOKE. He doesn't have a single ounce of credibility. Anyone who listens to him is continually weakening their own credibility.

pretty much spot on, Habs. Although, I honestly think it's about more than an individual's perspective in what Obama was saying. I think it's pretty factual that successful businesses have "help" down the line at some point to some degree from someone or something else. That's the gist of the speech and what Limbaugh is trying to do with it is absurd. The use of this to bolster support to raise taxes is definitely debatable, but I don't see how anyone can not agree that successful business get help from somewhere and aren't created by the owner all by himself.

[Star_Cards]

I disagree completely. If you take that one line it sounds like Obama thinks business owners haven't worked hard in creating their business or even had a hand in it. I could also see where one would think that this one sentence is saying that businesses owners don't work hard, but he simply didn't say that throughout his speech, and I did listen to it. It would be completely absurd and idiotic for anyone to think such things about successful business owners.

I heard the quote on Boortz yesterday and had to find the full speech after I heard it because it sounded like it was part of a though and not a complete thought. When you just hear a sentence that goes along with others to form a complete thought it's possible to give a completely different meaning and that is what limbaugh and boortz did to make Obama look like he though business owners were lazy or not deserving of their success or something similar.

[Star_Cards]

I just don't see how people don't see through him. The guy makes like $35-40 million a year to fear-mongor. He's not really fighting for the conservative right. He's fighting for his massive paychecks. I don't begrudge him that, he lives in a country where you're free to make as much money as you can. I just never forget why the man gets paid.

One could say that Rush also had help building his empire.

[AUTaxMan]

pretty much spot on, Habs. Although, I honestly think it's about more than an individual's perspective in what Obama was saying. I think it's pretty factual that successful businesses have "help" down the line at some point to some degree from someone or something else. That's the gist of the speech and what Limbaugh is trying to do with it is absurd. The use of this to bolster support to raise taxes is definitely debatable, but I don't see how anyone can not agree that successful business get help from somewhere and aren't created by the owner all by himself.

But you're missing the point of Obama's speech. Obviously, everyone has some level of help in their lives. The insinuation, though, is that successful people are only successful because of the help of others, and that unsuccessful people are only unsuccessful because they did not have that level of help. This is simply untrue. Not all people are afforded equal resources and support during their lives, but also, not all people are equally hard working or intelligent, as Obama is implying to the crowd. Additionally, many unsuccessful people are afforded the same resources as successful ones but do nothing with those resources.

[Rockman]

I don't see what you think is racist about his statement of "I say back to Kenya in November for ol' Barack...". I find it confusing since Obama isn't from nor does he live in Kenya, but I don't find it racist.

Eh, maybe it's just me but I'd also find it a bit racist (or at the very least extremely idiotic) if Rubio lost an election and somebody said back to Cuba for ol' Rubio, and the fact that nobody would ever think of saying back to Mexico for ol' Romney when Romney has just about the same relation to Mexico as Barack has to Kenya.

To believe in/continue to perpetuate the birther movement in 2012 you either have to be a complete moron or a bit racist, but you're right, Intimadator2007 probably isn't a racist.

[mrveggieman]

I know it's Monday but this gets my early vote for racist comment of the week.

Oh no, intimidator is not racist, he has lots of black friends.

[habsheaven]

But you're missing the point of Obama's speech. Obviously, everyone has some level of help in their lives. The insinuation, though, is that successful people are only successful because of the help of others, and that unsuccessful people are only unsuccessful because they did not have that level of help. This is simply untrue. Not all people are afforded equal resources and support during their lives, but also, not all people are equally hard working or intelligent, as Obama is implying to the crowd. Additionally, many unsuccessful people are afforded the same resources as successful ones but do nothing with those resources.

You are proving my point. You believe he is insinuating something negative based on your opinion of him.

[AUTaxMan]

You are proving my point. You believe he is insinuating something negative based on your opinion of him.

No, it is based on his 4-year-history of promoting the same ideas and spouting off the same type of rhetoric. It is not because I personally don't like the guy.

[Star_Cards]

But you're missing the point of Obama's speech. Obviously, everyone has some level of help in their lives. The insinuation, though, is that successful people are only successful because of the help of others, and that unsuccessful people are only unsuccessful because they did not have that level of help. This is simply untrue. Not all people are afforded equal resources and support during their lives, but also, not all people are equally hard working or intelligent, as Obama is implying to the crowd. Additionally, many unsuccessful people are afforded the same resources as successful ones but do nothing with those resources.

I didn't see it as him saying that at all. He mentions "hard working" americans quite a few times before the sentence that rush pulled out of the speech. I took that as him saying all sorts of americans are hard working, business owners and non business owners alike. I didn't take that as to mean he was singling them out as not hard working people. Obviously if you have a successful business you are typically a hard worker. I can't see who Obama would think that successful business owners are lazy or lucky or successful in spite of their poor work ethic. Thinking that would be completely comical.