Homosexuality in the New Testament

[jessejordan419]

I write this because many people say that Jesus did not speak against homosexuality, and therefore, He was not against it. I write this to show evidence to the contrary.

Matthew 19:4-6

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.


Luke 17:28-30

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

and Jesus' Word on the Old Testament

John 5:46-47

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

This shows that Jesus does not condemn the Law of Moses, or replace it; but Fulfills it. Yes, He gave us greater commandments: To love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind; and to love your neighbor as yourself. But this does not diminish the consequences for behavior that God called, "an abomination". And this includes cross-dressing, incest, and bestiality.

You can say you don't believe that God is this or that, but you cannot change what His Word says. You are inventing your own interpretation of what God is, and by doing this, you are creating your own god. The First Commandment is: I AM the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Homosexuality in the rest of the New Testament:

Jude 6-8

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind(homosexuals), 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[Star_Cards]

how exactly does "abusers of themselves with mankind" translate into homosexuals. From my understanding mankind also includes women. Although I'm not really sure what abusers of themselves means.

By the way, I'm of the opinion that no matter what the bible or any other religious text says has zero bearing in the legislation of same sex marriage being legal. Religious text has no place in the discussion of same sex marriage being recognized legally.

[habsheaven]

I didn't see anything referring to homosexuals in any of those passages.

[mrveggieman]

I didn't see anything either unless you want to referencing this:

John 5:46-47

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

However if you go by that that opens up another can of worms. There are plenty of things in the OT that don't have anything to do with homosexuality that christians ignore. How can you pick an chose to enforce the OT ban on homosexuality because it is convenient but ignore the other OT laws that are not convenient?

[Wickabee]

I write this because many people say that Jesus did not speak against homosexuality, and therefore, He was not against it. I write this to show evidence to the contrary.

Matthew 19:4-6

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

If this says homosexuality is wrong, then it's also saying that not marrying at all is wrong. If that is what you think this says then all bachelors are also sinning by not following this passage.
Or it says nothing of homosexuality whatsoever.

Luke 17:28-30

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Lot drunkenly impregnated his daughters and was still considered "righteous". The fact Sodom was destroyed says nothing of homosexuals. Don't forget Gomorrah was destroyed too.

and Jesus' Word on the Old Testament

John 5:46-47

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

This shows that Jesus does not condemn the Law of Moses, or replace it; but Fulfills it. Yes, He gave us greater commandments: To love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind; and to love your neighbor as yourself. But this does not diminish the consequences for behavior that God called, "an abomination". And this includes cross-dressing, incest, and bestiality.

Eating shellfish was a terrible thing to do before Jesus. Things change over time, the Bible proves it. I also don't see how the cut of cloth you're wearing has anything to do with anything. If I dressed as Jesus did today, people would call me a cross-dresser for wearing a dress.

You can say you don't believe that God is this or that, but you cannot change what His Word says. You are inventing your own interpretation of what God is, and by doing this, you are creating your own god. The First Commandment is: I AM the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

The only two commandments one need follow were set forth by Jesus.
Love the one true God above all else
Love your neighbour as yourself

Homosexuality in the rest of the New Testament:

Jude 6-8

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

I'm going to assume your point lies in "going after strange flesh". That could easily mean being promiscuous or a host of other things. It could be argued that it means homosexuality but with as much as the Bible speaks of promiscuity and doesn't really speak nearly as much of homosexuality...

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind(homosexuals), 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Abusers of themselves with mankind doesn't refer to homosexuals. It refers to the fact that you life and body are your gift from God and because of that you don't have right to destroy it through drunkenness, gluttony, drug abuse, etc, etc.


So as you can see, you really didn't say anything about homosexuality by quoting those passages.

[duwal]

yeah this member just keeps posting ramblings with nothing really showing what he is trying to prove

[jessejordan419]

Leg. 18:20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

No abortion, adultery, fornication, beastiality, homosexualism, incest, effiminism, etc. Read the Word for yourself to find out what is forbidden.

As for shelfish, pork, and unclean meats in the OT, Col. 2:16 says, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This is because the Law of Moses was to separate the Jews from the Gentiles. Jesus came for both Jew and Gentile. The Holy Spirit did not condone adultery, fornication, abortion, homosexuality, or any other sin given in the Law of Moses. This is not a contradiction, this is an opening of the Gospel to the Gentile. Israel was suppossed to be the beacon of light and lead the Gentile nations to God, but they rejected God when He came in the flesh as Messiah. Therefore, Jesus was that form to lead all nations to God, not Israel.

[shrewsbury]

what was written by Moses? I believe just the laws of the jews, nothing else. even Jesus does not say Moses wrote what most claim and nearly all of Jesus' mentioning of Moses was the laws.

[JustAlex]

By the way, I'm of the opinion that no matter what the bible or any other religious text says has zero bearing in the legislation of same sex marriage being legal. Religious text has no place in the discussion of same sex marriage being recognized legally.

[jessejordan419]

what was written by Moses? I believe just the laws of the jews, nothing else. even Jesus does not say Moses wrote what most claim and nearly all of Jesus' mentioning of Moses was the laws.

Moses is given credit for the Torah, or the first Five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronamy. The 10 Commandments were given in Exodus, but Leviticus is the vast set of daily laws on how to separate Israel from the Gentiles. Everything from how to build the Tabernacle, how to appoint Levite Preists, and how to administer the sacrifices, to how to govern day to day affairs with government, are given in Leviticus.

Now, the Tabernacle was not needed after Solomon built the First Temple, and the Temple and sacrifices are not needed because Jesus was the Lamb of God, but nearly every Chapter in the Torah was a prophesy for Jesus, even the Jewish wedding ceremonies, the artifacts in the Tabernacle, and the many stories in Genesis were foretelling something about Jesus.

Some of these Levitical laws were simply not needed after the Ascension of Jesus, such as the sacrifices, and therefore we do not need to follow them. However, Levitical laws such as man lying with man as man lies with women, are still relevant. God called them an abomination. If homosexualism, incest, beastiality, etc. was deemed by God to be o.k. behavior, Jesus would've said so. The fact the Jesus says marriage is when a man leaves his family and is joined to his wife should be evidence enough that He did not allow for these types of sexual behavior.

Now, because the Gospel was to be proclaimed to the Gentiles in Acts, the food that God forbid the Jews to eat, was/is eaten by Gentiles, and the New Testament says let no man judge you for your meat. This means it is o.k. to eat pork and shellfish, but there's still wisdom in Levitical law. Once I purge my body of parasites and undigested meat, I will not go back to eating pork if I can help it. Not because God forbids it, but because more parasites are prevelant in pork than in any other meat. And since pork is now nearly as expensive as beef, why bother. But this is personal, not because I think its sin.