Homosexuality in the New Testament

[MasonRaymond0320]

this question is for anyone against gay marriages: If you are not gay, then why do you even take a stand against gay marriages when it has nothing to do with you?? Just because it may be against the bible....there are no scientific facts to back up why its wrong?

[mrveggieman]

You know what they say about people who are so homophobic about gays? That deep down they are uncomfortable with their own sexuality and openly speak out against gays because deep down they are really homosexual.

[Star_Cards]

this question is for anyone against gay marriages: If you are not gay, then why do you even take a stand against gay marriages when it has nothing to do with you?? Just because it may be against the bible....there are no scientific facts to back up why its wrong?

This has always been a question I'd like to know the answer. I get that someone can say that it is against their religion and that they have the right to think it's wrong, but that does not mean that it should be banned. I've brought this up before in this thread, but there are many things that are legal and against a religious rule. The religious thought about a subject has no business in the legality of said subject.

[Star_Cards]

your way off base. Jews aren't outlawing pork, Christians aren't outlawing gay marriage, they gave them civil unions, but gays reject that.

Prayer in schools did not force all kids to pray, in fact, atheists have gone as far as to ban prayer at the flagpole before class. Now is that letting a religion have their prayer?

It harmed the atheist nothing to put headphones on during prayer, and it harms atheists nothing to display the 10 Commandments from courthouses. They are unlawfully banning Christians from their free exercise of Religion.

But you don't see atheists filing lawsuits through the aclu against the 30-50 court cases where shariah law was cited as the reason for ruling now do you. Would atheists file suits if schools started using halal meat in schools?

I never said Jews were outlawing pork. I said that they aren't trying to outlaw pork for everyone because it happens to be against their religion to consume it. I still don't know what you are talking about with civil unions. Also, it's not up to Christians "to give" anything to anyone. They may be the majority in America, but it's not up to them to dictate to the rest of America what should be.

As far as prayer goes, if a student wants to pray, they have every right to do so during the school day. No one will keep them from praying on their own if they are so inclined. If someone is stopped then that is an issue. The prayer in school issue deals with organized group prayer which has zero place in public school. If you want that for your child there are plenty of schools they can go to if you want them to have an education within a religious organization.

Posting the 10 commandments in publicly funded areas like courthouses endorses one religion over all of the other religions that the people of the United States has the right to worship or not. A government may have people within that believe specific religious ideals but should not endorse one over the other in a manner like posting the ten commandments does. Posting the 10 commandments isn't just about atheists and christians. It's about the millions of other religious people in this country who pay taxes just like us and shouldn't have their government endorse christianity over their religion. Yes, I agree it's not really that big of a deal if I see the 10 commandments at a government building, but it's simply not needed. And yes, it's not forcing anyone to believe something they don't want to, but religion needs to be left up to the individual, not the majority.


as far as sharia law being cited in a ruling or legislation... I'm not aware of these cases. I'd love to see a few that you are referencing. I'm against ALL religious ideals being used to legislate. It doesn't matter if it's christian, muslim, jewish, buddist, etc.

I'm not sure why you think this is a christian vs atheist thing alone. The last time I checked, most religions tend to be against gay marriage or homosexuality in general.

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And how exactly can one claim a civil union is the same as a marriage?

Benefits that are restricted to "married" couples could be denied to those in civil unions because technically, it's not a marriage.

Separate but equal strikes again...

[shrewsbury]

You know what they say about people who are so homophobic about gays? That deep down they are uncomfortable with their own sexuality and openly speak out against gays because deep down they are really homosexual.

this is the typical junk people try to use to get people to side with them, you give them no way to be right. this is the only method people can use to get people to agree with them, when they can't debate it with logic.

being against homosexual marriage does not make you homophobic or even anti gay.

[theonedru]

And how exactly can one claim a civil union is the same as a marriage?

Benefits that are restricted to "married" couples could be denied to those in civil unions because technically, it's not a marriage.

Separate but equal strikes again...

Exactly, how do people conveniently forget this when arguing for civil unions instead of marriage..

[mrveggieman]

this is the typical junk people try to use to get people to side with them, you give them no way to be right. this is the only method people can use to get people to agree with them, when they can't debate it with logic.

being against homosexual marriage does not make you homophobic or even anti gay.

So you don't think that some guy who goes around beating up gays for no reason other than the fact that they are gay dosen't have a lot of stuff going on with him?

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I feel the most vehemently anti-gay ones definitely have a hint of mint.

The average "I'm against it but I'm not going to go curbstomping them over it" don't.

[mrveggieman]

I feel the most vehemently anti-gay ones definitely have a hint of mint.

The average "I'm against it but I'm not going to go curbstomping them over it" don't.

CHURCH!!