Kentucky county removing Ten Commandments from schools

[deansayso]

Actually, since the Ten Commandments has historical value beyond its religious value, and the Satanic Commandments hold no historical value except within that religion, that should actually be worse than the Ten Commandments, since the only value it holds is religious.

So, that puts him arguing with himself.

You forgot to tell the mods to close the thread or say /thread...that seems to be the thing to do now

[JustAlex]

Absolutely hilarious.

We have one guy that doesn't understand that Congress = Government and refuses to acknowledge what the establishment clause means.

And meanwhile the rest of you completely ignored the fact that SCOTUS has already ruled on something like this before and it was crystal clear that they saw what the 10 commandments are.

"plainly religious in nature....The Commandments do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, such as honoring one's parents, killing or murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and covetousness. Rather, the first part of the Commandments concerns the religious duties of believers: worshipping the Lord God alone, avoiding idolatry, not using the Lord's name in vain, and observing the Sabbath Day."

^But this doesn't matter apparently because Wickabee knows more than SCOTUS and his "it holds historical value" argument trumps SCOTUS interpretation.

Anything can hold historical value.....it doesn't mean that there is a good reason to have it in public schools.

A Nazi flag holds historical value, let's put that in public schools.

Seriously, what a Terrible argument to say that because something holds historical value we should ignore what it actually is!

Thank GOD for SCOTUS!

[Wickabee]

Still blows away your "I wanna be a Satanist" speech.
And you're the only one saying anything about me knowing better than SCOTUS. I'm just speculating. You, for some reason, think I want them their. I actually don't care.

You're running on a tirade like an angry child. Thread after thread of hate filled crap.

Ever see Forest Grump? You remember when he goes to Washington and finds Jenny? Remember the guy she was with? The one who hit Jenny and blamed Nixon for it?
You remind me of him.

[Wickabee]

You forgot to tell the mods to close the thread or say /thread...that seems to be the thing to do now

InB4!!!!!Lolzerzhehe

[Wickabee]

double

[Wickabee]

And meanwhile the rest of you completely ignored the fact that SCOTUS has already ruled on something like this before and it was crystal clear that they saw what the 10 commandments are.

"plainly religious in nature....The Commandments do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, such as honoring one's parents, killing or murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and covetousness. Rather, the first part of the Commandments concerns the religious duties of believers: worshipping the Lord God alone, avoiding idolatry, not using the Lord's name in vain, and observing the Sabbath Day."

^But this doesn't matter apparently because Wickabee knows more than SCOTUS and his "it holds historical value" argument trumps SCOTUS interpretation.

Here's the thing, alex, you're misrepresenting me. All I've said is the Ten Commandments hold historical value which the Satanic Commandments do not. That was not an argument for the Ten, but debunking your theory that the twop are the same thing. They aren't.
I also never said it didn't hold any religious value. All I said was, the Ten Commandments, one of the oldest sets of organized law in humanity, holds value beyond religious. What SCOTUS said is it does not confine itself to non religious value. That means we're both right. I never actually disagreed with the ruling that it holds religious value, but somehow you want to argue it holds ONLY religious value. That is yet another argument you will be having with yourself, since I didn't say that nor do I think it. You might want to go by what's read, not whatever you think of me. You don't know me, stop pretending to. Children pretend.

[drtom2005]

Why is it only atheists who can't discern there's a non religious meaning to those commandments?

Please explain the non- religious meanings of all 10 . If any one has religious meaning they are all invalid in government. We call them the 10, not just 2 or 3.

Should we place verses from the Koran, Tora, Vedas, or Tipitaka in public places?

Hinduism is older then Christianity so the Vedas holds more historical value, right?

This is the problem. Once you allow one religion in a government place, they all should get time to be fair. This is what the Founding Fathers were worried about.

[Wickabee]

Please explain the non- religious meanings of all 10 . If anyone has religious meaning they are all invalid in government. We call them the 10, not just 2 or 3.

First, you explain how one of the oldest sets of law in history holds zero historical value.

Since what I actually said was it holds historical value and the Satanic doesn't. I was debunking Alex's incorrect point that they're the same thing. The Satanic is religious only. The Ten is religious and historical. Had you read my posts instead of Alex's (he doesn't read my posts either, so it's not wise to go by what he says I said) you'd know that.

Okay, that's twice on the same page I've had to say that. Anyone else want to respond to something I said without actually reading it or knowing what I said? Seems to be a bit of a fad right now.

[drtom2005]

First, you explain how one of the oldest sets of law in history holds zero historical value.

Since what I actually said was it holds historical value and the Satanic doesn't. I was debunking Alex's incorrect point that they're the same thing. The Satanic is religious only. The Ten is religious and historical. Had you read my posts instead of Alex's (he doesn't read my posts either, so it's not wise to go by what he says I said) you'd know that.

Okay, that's twice on the same page I've had to say that. Anyone else want to respond to something I said without actually reading it or knowing what I said? Seems to be a bit of a fad right now.

I did read your post. I was attempting to show how I believe your logic is flawed. I pointed out that we should include other Holy Books verses in public spaces, more mainstream then Satan's Laws ( for historical value). I guess the billion or so Muslims and Hindus agree that the Ten Commandments are the only religious text that hold historical value.

By the way, please read my post and answer the question, should other religion's Holy text be used in public spaces?

[drtom2005]

http://hinduism.about.com/od/scriptu...ws_of_manu.htm

Traditionally accepted as one of the supplementary arms of the Vedas, Laws of Manu or Manava Dharma Shastra is one of the standard books in the Hindu canon, and a basic text for all gurus to base their teachings on. This 'revealed scripture' comprises 2684 verses, divided into twelve chapters presenting the norms of domestic, social, and religious life in India (circa 500 BC) under the Brahmin influence, and is fundamental to the understanding of ancient Indian society.


Chapters two to six recounts the proper conduct of the members of the upper castes, their initiation into the Brahmin religion by sacred thread or sin-removing ceremony, the period of disciplined studentship devoted to the study of the Vedas under a Brahmin teacher, the chief duties of the householder - choice of a wife, marriage, protection of the sacred hearth-fire, hospitality, sacrifices to the gods, feasts to his departed relatives, along with the numerous restrictions - and finally, the duties of old age. The seventh chapter talks of manifold duties and responsibilities of kings. The eighth chapter deals with the modus operandi in civil and criminal proceedings and of the proper punishments to be meted out to different caste. The ninth and the tenth chapters relate the customs and laws regarding inheritance and property, divorce and the lawful occupations for each caste. Chapter eleven expresses the various kinds of penance for the misdeeds. The final chapter expounds the doctrine of karma, rebirths and salvation.