Sean Hannity caught lying about Obamacare (again)....

[Imac7065]

I was personally offended by this so I thought I would post about it...

Sean Hannity had a group of "average americans" on his show the other day and asked them about the effect of Obamacare on them...

Lie 1) A couple said they were cut off from their healthcare and their premiums in 2014 will be as high as $20,000...

-Actually, they weren't kicked off their Insurance, it was modified to comply with the law.. on top of that if they did choose to go on Obamacare their current premiums would be CUT IN HALF. Why? Because they have a child with a pre existing condition.

Lie 2) A couple said they "couldn't hire anymore full time employees" because of the healthcare law

-When researched it turns out this "company" has a grand total of FOUR employees... to be effected by the law you need to have 50 or more.

Lie 3) A third couple said they were being forced into buying new insurance that they did not need or want, increasing their premiums to comply with the law

-Yes, people are getting new things added to their current insurance.. not a dime will be added to their premiums if they under employer based healthcare as these people are


It turns out that all 6 people Hannity had on his show are tea partiers, and when asked (by Hannity).. if any had voted for Obama.. all scoffed even at the notion. When a reporter asked these people if they were aware of anything I said above, or even planned to check on it.. they replied they do not check the health care site, or anything Obama puts out because of a personal hatred of the President.


This is the true face of Fox News....


Citations:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4124699.html

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/insi..._on_obamacare/

http://www.inquisitr.com/1000333/han...ganda-alleged/

http://morallowground.com/2013/10/21...macare-claims/

http://www.newshounds.us/sean_hannit...posed_10182013

[tpeichel]

1) Their policy was discontinued and they were forced into a more expensive policy. When President Obama said you could keep your insurance if you liked it, that was the lie.
2) I agree that this is bogus.
3) This is also the truth. Health insurance is increasing in cost because of the mandates. President Obama said the ACA would drive down rates, that was another lie.

[Imac7065]

1) Their policy was discontinued and they were forced into a more expensive policy. When President Obama said you could keep your insurance if you liked it, that was the lie.
2) I agree that this is bogus.
3) This is also the truth. Health insurance is increasing in cost because of the mandates. President Obama said the ACA would drive down rates, that was another lie.

I guess you are ignoring the countless websites and journalists who debunked these people and are going with the right wing talking points instead? I'm curious.. does it hurt to live in the bubble?

[tpeichel]

I guess you are ignoring the countless websites and journalists who debunked these people and are going with the right wing talking points instead? I'm curious.. does it hurt to live in the bubble?

I haven't read anything about this except what you wrote.

1) If I have policy ABC with defined benefits at a cost of $XXX.XX, then that policy gets changed to policy XYZ with different benefits at a cost of $XXX.XX + $YYY.YY. You claim this is the same policy only "modified". Okay. But the President said that if people liked their current health care, they could keep it. In this situation, do you really believe that the people are keeping the same healthcare?

[Imac7065]

I haven't read anything about this except what you wrote.

1) If I have policy ABC with defined benefits at a cost of $XXX.XX, then that policy gets changed to policy XYZ with different benefits at a cost of $XXX.XX + $YYY.YY. You claim this is the same policy only "modified". Okay. But the President said that if people liked their current health care, they could keep it. In this situation, do you really believe that the people are keeping the same healthcare?

You do know that the president of the united states has no control over the private operations of a private company correct? The president did not effect this persons policy, the ACA did not effect this persons policy.. the company who is looking for the cheapest way possible to comply with the ACA effected this policy. An effect that these people apparently don't even realize yet will save them thousands of dollars a year. Should it matter at the end of the day how they got there? As long as their family is covered, and is covered at a drastically lower rate.. isn't that what counts?

For Hannity to have these people on to then lie.. and say its 100% the opposite.. is disgusting. Hannity either had no clue these people didn't know what they were talking about, or he purposely told them to lie.. you decide which it is.

[tpeichel]

You do know that the president of the united states has no control over the private operations of a private company correct?

Please READ what you just wrote. Now read it again slowly.

What happens to the company if they fail to comply with the requirements of the ACA that the President signed into law? They will be penalized, so how can you logically conclude that the President and his ACA do not exert control of these private companies? If the ACA did not exert control, then these private companies would NOT have to change their plans to be in compliance.

[Imac7065]

Please READ what you just wrote. Now read it again slowly.

What happens to the company if they fail to comply with the requirements of the ACA that the President signed into law? They will be penalized, so how can you logically conclude that the President and his ACA do not exert control of these private companies? If the ACA did not exert control, then these private companies would NOT have to change their plans to be in compliance.

It's a companies choice to drop their employees to save the 1 or 2% it would literally cost them. A study showed that it would cost Papa John's 15 cents a pizza (far less than 1%) to cover 100% of its employee's... Instead of doing that, Papa John's will probably cut their health care and force their employee's into the system. That's unfair, but that's corporate reality. You cannot blame the president because of corporate greed.. that is the standard with these people. They would do the same thing if the government required them to do literally anything.

This is another example of why I hate pirvate health care at all.. it's immoral to continue to allow people to profit off the health of others.. we are the only country that still does this.

[tpeichel]

That is a separate issue.

Issue #1 in the original post concerned forcing companies to change their plans to meet ACA requirements. So I will repost my questions.

What happens to the company if they fail to comply with the requirements of the ACA that the President signed into law? They will be penalized, so how can you logically conclude that the President and his ACA do not exert control of these private companies? If the ACA did not exert control, then these private companies would NOT have to change their plans to be in compliance.

[Imac7065]

That is a separate issue.

Issue #1 in the original post concerned forcing companies to change their plans to meet ACA requirements. So I will repost my questions.

What happens to the company if they fail to comply with the requirements of the ACA that the President signed into law? They will be penalized, so how can you logically conclude that the President and his ACA do not exert control of these private companies? If the ACA did not exert control, then these private companies would NOT have to change their plans to be in compliance.

And I answered.. if companies need to save the less than a penny per dollar rather than insure the health of their employees.. that is their choice. That is not the president forcing their hand to do so.

[tpeichel]

Companies have been absorbing higher healthcare costs for years now. Sure some of them will be able to continue to do so, but what about the companies surviving on very thin margins?

When these companies close their doors, then will you admit that the President is exerting control over these private companies?