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    It is an opinion based on observation. Doubt it all you like.

    I am curious about the extent of these observations that would leave no doubt in your mind that George Washington was as corrupt and greedy as our current politicians.

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    I am curious about the extent of these observations that would leave no doubt in your mind that George Washington was as corrupt and greedy as our current politicians.

    The "current politicians" cover a whole range of corruption and greed. My lack of doubt extends to the very real possibility that Washington would have found a home right in amongst them.

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    The "current politicians" cover a whole range of corruption and greed. My lack of doubt extends to the very real possibility that Washington would have found a home right in amongst them.

    In a court of law, the jury would be forced to have reasonable doubt since you provide no evidence for your assertion.

    Your logic is similar to this: in the last 100 years, the Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series, so I am certain that they never won a World Series in their entire history because all Cubs teams must be bad.

    If he was truly greedy or corrupt, he simply would have ran for a third term to stay in power. Instead, he declined because he felt like one individual should not have that much power. Under his leadership, Congress passed the Bill of Rights.

    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


    Amendment III

    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Amendment VII
    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Not really the work of a greedy, corrupt politician.

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    In a court of law, the jury would be forced to have reasonable doubt since you provide no evidence for your assertion.

    Your logic is similar to this: in the last 100 years, the Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series, so I am certain that they never won a World Series in their entire history because all Cubs teams must be bad.

    If he was truly greedy or corrupt, he simply would have ran for a third term to stay in power. Instead, he declined because he felt like one individual should not have that much power. Under his leadership, Congress passed the Bill of Rights.

    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


    Amendment III

    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Amendment VII
    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Not really the work of a greedy, corrupt politician.

    Last time I checked, we weren't in a court of law.


    Edit: Were the first 10 amendments the work of Washington? This is news to me.
    Last edited by habsheaven; 12-03-2013 at 04:44 PM.

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    Simply put your logic is faulty which does not in any way deprive you of your right to state an opinion. If, however, you are stating that opinion with the intention of influencing the thoughts of others some facts would go a long way. Not everyone that has been convicted is guilty.
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    Last time I checked, we weren't in a court of law.


    Edit: Were the first 10 amendments the work of Washington? This is news to me.

    Passed in his first term.

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    There is no evidence to support that Washington nor any other of the founding fathers were corrupt. In fact, to the contrary, many of the founding fathers risk their wealth and other personal holdings by rebelling against the king and fighting a war of independence. Remember, at te time Washington was one of the wealthiest men in the country, he had little to gain and everything to lose.

    History stands upon its own merits and should never be interpreted in terms of the present.

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