Base Card Parallels Serial Numbered To #/100

[centrehice]

They are pretty much now just base cards. Lol.

I recall when you pulled a card Serial Numbered to #/100, be it a Bronze, Gold, Silver, Ice Blue, Holo-Whatever, you had really accomplished something. You had taken the only Serial Numbered Card #/100 in the entire Master Case which not so very long ago had 24 Packs per Box and perhaps 24 boxes per case.

When you went to re-sell it, it was before BIN, so you could faithfully start your auction at .99 cents, were guaranteed between 12 and 30 bids depending on the player. Even 4th liners were fetching $12.00 plus bubble envelope shipping for $1.00 to just about anywhere.

Now I see people trying to sell UD Exclusives for $10-$15.00 for the same thing and failing miserably. The Median Price for a Base Parallel Ser. #/100 on eBay is now about $1.75.

People are talking about value? If card companies simply made the Base Parallel #/100 something to achieve again, then boxes could once again provide some value. Boxes are now providing about 18% return, and it's all because the Base Parallel Serial Numbered to #/100 has been abused, and kicked to the curb.

[CoolHandLuke]

I think one reason is that back in those days, not many were on internet and not all cards could end up being sold. Today it's much easier to sell cards, more parallel too so it dilute the demand from true collectors. Also you should take into account that people have less money to spend since the crash in 2008. USA is only starting to do better. Price went up so people have less money to buy. Since people only control the secondary market, it's normal to see prices drop there. But a card out 100 is still as hard to pull since there is only one hundred but since more people have it easier to sell it since now most house have internet then more people can sell them.

Time change, internet change the availability as well. I remember in 2000, when you would talk Internet in family reunion, I was considered as a nerd LOL. From 2006 to 2010 things changed dramatically.

[adamslogik]

The sellers are part of the problem. Everyone is more concerned with selling their stuff as quick as possible, rather than holding out for a good price. So what happens? A couple of guys hop on ebay and sell a card with a BV of $40 for $10 so that they can get some quick paypal for some other card/case break/etc... and now everyone else has to try and compete with their $10 price tag because buyers see that and no longer want to pay any more than that.

The Cup is a prime example. With 5 cards in a tin for $450, that means that even the base cards should be able to fetch $20-$30. I mean, if you're busting the cup, you're paying a premium price, so why settle for next to nothing on them?

People are under the impression that buyers alone set the value on the secondary market, but sellers have some control also, unfortunately though, only if they can collectively decide to ask for what their cards are worth based on the original price paid, instead of just being impatient and settling for the best price they can get in the next 5 days.

just my opinion.

Sellers are killing the market for themselves. People will always try to get things for as cheap as you'll let them get away with. Nobody wants to pay more than they HAVE to pay for something. It's up to the sellers to hold fast and be patient in order to set the prices. I mean, we don't haggle with Wlamart over the price of unopened wax, so why, as a seller, are we letting buyers drive the values of our cards down by not at least insisting on some minimum value?

[centrehice]

I think one reason is that back in those days, not many were on internet and not all cards could end up being sold. Today it's much easier to sell cards, more parallel too so it dilute the demand from true collectors. Also you should take into account that people have less money to spend since the crash in 2008. USA is only starting to do better. Price went up so people have less money to buy. Since people only control the secondary market, it's normal to see prices drop there. But a card out 100 is still as hard to pull since there is only one hundred but since more people have it easier to sell it since now most house have internet then more people can sell them.

Time change, internet change the availability as well. I remember in 2000, when you would talk Internet in family reunion, I was considered as a nerd LOL. From 2006 to 2010 things changed dramatically.

What are you talking about? It's twice as hard to sell cards on eBay. In 2000-01 on eBay, If I listed 500 cards as I do today, 45% of them would sell. I experienced this, I was busier than a One-Legged Man at an arse-kicking contest.

Now when I list 500 cards, about 8% of them sell.

Selling cards on eBay is less than minimum wage expedition, and nobody is buying like they did in even 2003-04.

In less than 6 years, eBay has gone from a Seller's Market from 1998-2005, to a Buyer's Market, and eBay has assisted only buyers in allowing this to happen.

[Drewk86a]

While it is true that the #/100 have become the red-headed stepchild of the parallel world they are truly limited cards. 50 US states at means that, on average, only two people in each state can own the card. Add in the 13 Can. provinces and the avg drops below two per state/prov. Add in Europe and Russia and the avg drop to close to one per location.

Not that every person in the world collects cards but, based on current world population, there is only one #/100 card for each 71.33 million people.

[CoolHandLuke]

What are you talking about? It's twice as hard to sell cards on eBay. In 2000-01 on eBay, If I listed 500 cards as I do today, 45% of them would sell. I experienced this, I was busier than a One-Legged Man at an arse-kicking contest.

Now when I list 500 cards, about 8% of them sell.

Selling cards on eBay is less than minimum wage expedition, and nobody is buying like they did in even 2003-04.

In less than 6 years, eBay has gone from a Seller's Market from 1998-2005, to a Buyer's Market, and eBay has assisted only buyers in allowing this to happen.

What I meant is not easier to sell the cards you have but easier access to all to sell cards due to everyone being on internet and why price go down. Also the economy is not helping either.

Mainly early 2000 not many where using internet so it was easier to sell what you had, since not that many were selling cards and yet good collector knew they could buy them on internet. Many buyer, not many seller, this was a great era to sell cards. The demand was greater then the offer. Now, everyone buying cards have internet and know about ebay and other site to sell cards. So people pull a card they do not want and turn to selling site to turn the card into cash to buy more their PC items or more cards.

[centrehice]

What I meant is not easier to sell the cards you have but easier access to all to sell cards due to everyone being on internet and why price go down. Also the economy is not helping either.

Mainly early 2000 not many where using internet so it was easier to sell what you had, since not that many were selling cards and yet good collector knew they could buy them on internet. Many buyer, not many seller, this was a great era to sell cards. The demand was greater then the offer. Now, everyone buying cards have internet and know about ebay and other site to sell cards. So people pull a card they do not want and turn to selling site to turn the card into cash to buy more their PC items or more cards.

Ebay was full of sellers in 2000. I was so busy, that I could only list 75 cards per week, as my visits to the Post Office were 15-20 single cards auctions daily.

In total card listings, it's only this year 2013 that the total number of listings actually exceeded pre-lockout 2005. The Hockey Card listings were consistently 900,000 cards plus, and sometimes over 1,000,000. and nobody had those stupid box-breaks.

If Box-Breaks would have been in existence in 2001-02, then the listings for Hockey would be exactly as they are today, 1,119,000.

How is it that you think you can tell me what went on when you have only been on eBay since 2008 and less than 400 transactions? eBay was absolutely full of cards in 99-2000 and full of sellers.

Ebay is a Buyer's Market, not because there are too many sellers, but because that is eBay's Business model, buyers, buyers, buyers. That's one reason why seller cannot leave a negative and always get the raw end of almost all deals.

[CoolHandLuke]

You only talk about eBay but what about the other sites, card are sold all over internet, not just on eBay. But I guess I am loosing my time as you see only your point of view, like always.

[cygnusx1]

Yes, yes, the mid 90's to early 2000's were the most fantastic time ever. We get it.

Things change over time, and the majority of us adapt.

[centrehice]

Who hasn't adapted? Not me.

I'm still selling inspire of eBay doing everything in their power to help buyers. And in terms of selling? Yes cards are sold all over the place but eBay sales in cards is 200 times over any other place cards are sold. It's the market, like it or not.