Panini done?

[robu84]

Beckett value means that a card has been sold for near the price at least once.

I wonder if that is the case anymore.

UD getting exlusive license is big disaster and nothing else...

+1

[MatsSundin13Rocks]

I have heard that the deal is done.

Why there has not been an announcement is beyond me.

Some of you will be pleased, other disappointed. ITG is in the latter category.

Brian Price

Sounds like a disaster for the Hobby world. If it is a Panini exclusive and not a UD exclusive I would be so happy though. Slay the former giant! If reversed I won't be happy. The best would be both retain but that isn't likely.

[MatsSundin13Rocks]

Bottom line is the NHLPA will do what makes them the most MONEY which is just smart business but doesn't consider collectors wants.

[doniceage]

Bottom line is the NHLPA will do what makes them the most MONEY which is just smart business but doesn't consider collectors wants.

As you said it has never been about the collector? Sportscards in the earliest days were just to entice kids to buy product not to become a hobby.


Don

[cygnusx1]

You are correct on that I thought it was an auction. I see a Nichushkin prime Rookie Jersey Auto /10 that sold for $53 on auction. Im talking about the regular ones which Would not sell over $30 at auction. Im not in favor of one company. I have opened a case of 11-12 Contenders as well as multiple single boxes of that product. I have opened a case of 11-12 certified. I have opened 4 boxes of select this year when it came out. I did a quick search and saw it wrong so I do apologize there.

Just for reference, here's the regular Certified that went for $50

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VALERI-NICHUS...item35d26fcc8a


In my opinion, there's not really anything Panini can do about the ROI. Both companies make some fantastic cards, but because Upper Deck has been around for much longer it has a more loyal following. It will be impossible to build any competition between brands if a new company is only able to compete for 4-5 years. From what I'm seeing regarding product sales (not secondary market sales), Certified has blown SPx out of the water.

[piper1]

As you said it has never been about the collector? Sportscards in the earliest days were just to entice kids to buy product not to become a hobby.


Don

Industry has always been about making money but everyone was only a collector, opening those 60s and 70s packs because we liked the cards. Nobody knew that ROI was going to be become such an issue.

[centrehice]

Beckett value means that a card has been sold for near the price at least once.

Nonsense it does.

They first take the Draft Position of the Player. What number was he drafted at?
They look at overall selling volume of figures that they can obtain.
They look at average median selling price on the secondary market.
They look at the interest generated in total sales volume from places like eBay.

These are just a few of the factors used in pricing a BV. With the advent of eBay, Beckett's job has gotten a lot easier in making their determination simply because that information is the largest and most easily obtained.

[MatsSundin13Rocks]

I find Beckett tries to set the market and the prices instead of actually doing their job and reporting the prices of what cards actually sell for. Beckett under reports a card value when it is selling higher. All of a sudden that cards price drops as no one wants to pay more the what Beckett values the card at. Most people don't want to pay the SV let alone the BV.

[centrehice]

Apparently one specific card pricer would go out and buy singles, hoard them, then Arrow-Up /\ the price of the specific card, dump them onto the market, then within one year, Arrow-Down \/ the same card.

I was told by a very reliable source that this happened when eBay was in it's infancy from 1997-2001 or 2002. I don't really know, but I do know that a specific card service company had millions of cards at the ready for this very type of action.

[RGM81]

I find Beckett tries to set the market and the prices instead of actually doing their job and reporting the prices of what cards actually sell for. Beckett under reports a card value when it is selling higher. All of a sudden that cards price drops as no one wants to pay more the what Beckett values the card at. Most people don't want to pay the SV let alone the BV.

Nailed it!

This is what turned me against them - they posted prices for a number of key sets that didn't reflect the market, but rather set the market going forward. Evander Kane YG's dropped in sales from $15 to $5 overnight. I was at a card show two days before they released that set's pricing and every seller there was moving Tavares YG's at $80 a pop...BOOM! Beckett posts it as a $50 card.