Hobby Lobby Wins!

[Wickabee]

What a lame argument. It's such an obvious difference. On one hand you a government dictating what every single company with over 50 people must provide as a healthcare benefit. On the other hand, you have individual companies deciding what kind of healthcare benefit they want to offer employees. If any employee is not happy with a benefit provided by the company, they simply go find a better situation. If paying out of pocket to get something not provided as a company benefit is still the best situation for you, then you stay at the company. If you have better options, you move.

This is a problem caused by government dictating regulations, not religious beliefs.

And it shows you want big business making your decisions. You want business to run the country. My post wasn't about religion, it was about how you say you don't want the government telling you what to do, but being fine with business men making medical decisions for employees.

Sure it's a lame argument, if you can't comprehend what's said and think it's about religion. But if you do that, you're going to give a stupid response. Every time.

[deansayso]

Snooze, been there... Nobody actually answered last time so I'll ask you:
Does the man with erectile dysfunction pay out of pocket? The dude who wants a vasectomy? He's paying out of pocket right?
Again a list of stuff the Supreme Court says needs to be covered and NOT paid for out pocket:

AIDS retroviral drugs
antibiotics to treat the infection you got from the nasty needle from when you got a 'I LOVE SATAN' tattoo
Blood Transfusions
Vaccines
Herpes Drugs to treat whatcha got raw dogging a stranger at the weekly satanist meeting

But yet... the girl with the menstruation so heavy she'd be anemic without the pill because of the monthly blood loss... and the woman who suffers from that weird disease that can kill you if you get pregnant... and the teen whose dad is a middle manager and has to deal with the pain of endometriosis... THEY can all just "pay out of pocket" Because their boss knows (KNOWS!) that the little baby Jesus cries every time a woman takes a combination of estrogen and progestin in pill form...or somesuch superstitious nonsense.

Explain to me how YOU think that is fair tpeichel.

Oh and all you guys chiming in that "it's only plan-B, it's only the abortion drugs," (facepalm, the medical community says there's no such thing) the supreme court clarified the next day to say this ruling was in reference to ALL contraception. Hobby Lobby WAS actually only fighting about plan-b, morning after pill, etc... But the wonderful dudes on the court decided that wasn't broad enough and clarified it's all the dirty girl pills, not just the most controversial ones.

So then your beef is with the supreme court? Hobby Lobby asked for an inch and the court gave them a mile..

[Star_Cards]

I agree with you but those items you listed are not in the lawsuit. If you sue to not cover blood transfusions based on religious beliefs and can prove they are against your beliefs I have no problem with them not being covered. I think in the long run it could hurt your business as you are eliminating a percentage of the talent based on your belief system but in my opinion it is not the job of the government to mandate what benefits you are required to give employees. Honestly I don't even think this is really a religious issue. I think a company should be able to provide whatever they want to employees and if the person doesn't like it take a hike.

My insurance sucks through work. I have paid more out of pocket in the last 2 years than the previous 26 years combined. You just have to find a best way to deal with it and go forward. If i didn't make enough to cover those expenses I would look for a better job with better insurance or better pay.

This is the why this ruling doesn't make sense to me. We live in a religiously free country. No one should ever have their religious beliefs proven or disproven. Because of that any corporation can claim anything to be a religious belief if they want. Based off of this ruling they should then be able to skirt the regulation just by claiming it a religious belief. How can any religious belief be disproven in a country where you are free to believe as you see fit?

I agree that a company shouldn't be forced to give a specific benefit to it's employees, but currently that is the law so religious belief shouldn't be a loophole.

[tpeichel]

And it shows you want big business making your decisions. You want business to run the country. My post wasn't about religion, it was about how you say you don't want the government telling you what to do, but being fine with business men making medical decisions for employees.

Sure it's a lame argument, if you can't comprehend what's said and think it's about religion. But if you do that, you're going to give a stupid response. Every time.

You still don't get it. On one hand you have the government deciding for everybody what healthcare they will get. On the other hand, you have individual businesses offering benefits to employees who have the CHOICE to accept the benefits package offered by an employer or working somewhere else.

Please explain how wanting companies the freedom to offer healthcare options equals "big business running the country".

[mrveggieman]

You still don't get it. On one hand you have the government deciding for everybody what healthcare they will get. On the other hand, you have individual businesses offering benefits to employees who have the CHOICE to accept the benefits package offered by an employer or working somewhere else.

Please explain how wanting companies the freedom to offer healthcare options equals "big business running the country".

You people kill me with that. Do you really think if they had the choice they would work at hobby lobby for $14 per hour. The average person works at whatever job hires him/her at the time. You act like people have hundreds of companies beating down their door to hire them.

[shrewsbury]

Do you really think if they had the choice they would work at hobby lobby for $14 per hour. The average person works at whatever job hires him/her at the time. You act like people have hundreds of companies beating down their door to hire them.

Why don't they have a choice? Why aren't companies knocking at the door?
I suppose it is the "man" holding them down, can't be their fault in any way, shape, or form.

If you didn't prepare, you go with what you got, HOPE people MAY help out, but don't expect it.

No matter what age, race, or social-economic status you are, it is never to late to turn things around.

[mrveggieman]

Why don't they have a choice? Why aren't companies knocking at the door?
I suppose it is the "man" holding them down, can't be their fault in any way, shape, or form.

If you didn't prepare, you go with what you got, HOPE people MAY help out, but don't expect it.

No matter what age, race, or social-economic status you are, it is never to late to turn things around.

This has nothing to do with the man or race or anything like that. Just like Duane said everyone is affected by unemployment. There are people of all races with degrees and who are highly qualified who are still struggling to find work. If it was that easy to snap your fingers and find a new job then everyone would do it and this would not be an issue.

[sanfran22]

This has nothing to do with the man or race or anything like that. Just like Duane said everyone is affected by unemployment. There are people of all races with degrees and who are highly qualified who are still struggling to find work. If it was that easy to snap your fingers and find a new job then everyone would do it and this would not be an issue.

Is it a right or a privilege to have a job?

[mrveggieman]

Is it a right or a privilege to have a job?

Is it a right or a privlege to own a business?

[sanfran22]

Is it a right or a privlege to own a business?

Answer the question.
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