Does greening or hulking affect grade

[pootshwan]

So this isn't a Hockey card but does happen on the earlier chrome hockey cards. This is high profile card that commands some serious cash, that is why I used it in this example.

Take a look at this 1996 Topps Chrome BGS 10 Pristine

I looked up the serial on BGS website and it shows as being graded on Monday, October 08, 2012.

There is a possibility that when the card was graded it didn't have any loss of color...but does it even matter?

Does greening or hulking affect overall grade for PSA & BGS?

Regardless of what the companies think, what is your opinion on the subject?

[subban7677]

I would think it would. If you had a choice between 2 cards, same grade, but one was off colour, and the other wasn't, which would you buy?

[Drewk86a]

could it simply be the angle of the card and the light reflected?

[Rraincock]

I have been thinking about the degradation of modern cards for about 10 years now. Remember those 1960’s stamp collections held in by tape? Welcome to the future of jersey cards and sticker autographs. Super foil refractor bejesusly sparkly cards have under a 20 year track record for aging.

I am surprised the Topps Chrome cards are changing; as far as I know the Beckett holder us UV resistant...


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[odjickfan]

Greening is a major problem with some key basketball cards :(

[scarrman]

I have to comment about the UV resistance of the Beckett holder. I deal in plastics, and UV is always a factor. To say UV resistance is a tricky thing, like buying a pair of sunglasses - why at the drugstore are they $15 and at Sunglass Hut are they $300? Well, it comes down the UV factors, fillers in plastics, coatings, etc. The Beckett Holder is made with Acrylic (plexiglas), and Acrylic on it's own is UV resistant, can see warranties up to 30 years against the "acrylic holder" from yellowing. Now the amount of UV it transmits, that's a whole other story. Back to the sunglasses, the type of UV that passes through is what matters, There is a level of Incident UV which causes damage and attack, on your eyes, fabric, pictures, posters, autographs, etc. Standard plate glass offers almost no UV protection (if you remember back to cracked dash boards and faded cloth interiors in cars), standard Acrylic absorbs most of the UV from passing through, but there are museum/archival grades that absorb that damaging Incident UV - that level of wavelengths is what causes the most photochemical degradation. Not to say there really is a choice in the plastic cases you buy, the UV absorbing grade is expensive and the holder manufacturers just don't use it, and the general masses are satisfied with the standard plastic holders.
So, regardless of what the holder says, the card inside can still get damaged from lighting - be it interior lighting, or natural sunlight. They will both cause damage to a card - particularly a card that is displayed in a room with interior light and getting bombed with sunlight. That card should expect to fade in a few years, an auto in less than 2 years. The new technlogies, the shiny cards, some of that is a treated polyester or mylar, that do has a life span and can discolor and darken when exposed to light.
So the best way to protect your card is keep it tucked away from any direct light, unless you want to go out and buy some museum grade plexiglas and make some covers for your cards. I actually did replace the glass in my jersey shadow boxes with a UV picture grade plastic, I don't want my jerseys or autos fading.

[pwaldo]

II am surprised the Topps Chrome cards are changing; as far as I know the Beckett holder us UV resistant...

I don't know if BGS holders are or not but cards have been pulled out of the pack from late 1990s releases and have been greening so light isn't 100% responsible for it. I know that.

[Savard18]

So this isn't a Hockey card but does happen on the earlier chrome hockey cards. This is high profile card that commands some serious cash, that is why I used it in this example.

Take a look at this 1996 Topps Chrome BGS 10 Pristine

I looked up the serial on BGS website and it shows as being graded on Monday, October 08, 2012.

There is a possibility that when the card was graded it didn't have any loss of color...but does it even matter?

Does greening or hulking affect overall grade for PSA & BGS?

Regardless of what the companies think, what is your opinion on the subject?

I just watched a youtube video on this issue last week.. 25 years later these collectors Topps Finest cards are turning green, lol.. I think it's hilarious because it's an issue many didn't look at or consider when these cards were issued. It's also very interesting because these cards for all intents and purposes are still "developing" like pictures, it's just a long-term er extended development process.... They're turning green now because UV light is NOT good for Topps finest refractors because that "new developmental photographing process" that Topps bragged about on the advertising and promotional materials is now turning their cards green..

Honestly I have no idea what it's going to do to their value because this situation is unprecedented, however I would certainly assume it will hurt their value....

The real issue is that they all will eventually turn green be it soon or 100 years from now - it's just a matter of time it just depends on just how much light the cards have been exposed to in their lifetime. With that said and when collectors catch on to that I think they will be very apprehensive in the future when investing in Topps Finest...So yea, we'll see what happens.

Of course the cards that are already green will eventually turn black, and that will be the front of the card. There will certainly be a "ghost" image tho... And I think that's what they're already calling this process - "ghosting"... So I would say that in about 10-15 years there will be totally "ghosted out" Topps Finest out there so it will be interesting to see how they will be valued...

One thing is certain tho, you cant question the authenticity of these green cards, lol.

[pootshwan]

could it simply be the angle of the card and the light reflected?

No, these are notorious for turning green unfortunately...

[pootshwan]

Greening is a major problem with some key basketball cards :(

Yea, it is really unfortunate.