More fake Racism

[themanishere]

the very things you list as proof racism still exists, are the things that affirmative action allows to happen. Things don't cease to be racist if they are done to defend a certain race. The truth of the matter is, when a white male is turned down for a job or a promotion, that he has earned via test scores, interviews, or experience, simply because there is a racial quota to be met, the seeds of racism are planted.

Which is the point that the way these institutions are made up has to change. It is double-edged.

[Yanksfan396]

Racism exists everywhere, but in America the white on minority racism is over reported and racism from other groups on whites is under reported.

For example, if a white male walks into a predominately black or Hispanic neighborhood and gets jumped it is called a crime. If a black male walks into a white neighborhood and the same thing happens there is a good chance it will go down as a hate crime and you will hear about it on the local and possible national news.

There are racists everywhere. When I was in Korea many of the South Koreas had lots of racial slurs for the Filipino community there. During my five years in Germany, many Germans were racist against the Turkish community. I've been to over 20 countries and I've yet to meet a race that didn't have their own racists or a country that didn't have race issues.

I'm a firm believer in racism breeds more racism. Meaning if one race is consistently attacked by another race the attacked race will become racists towards the attacking group. There are plenty of racists African Americans against whites. Their racists originals come from years and years of racism against them. Some are just racist because they blame whites for their problems regardless if they are truly the cause of their problems. 90% of African Americans voted for Obama and very little was said about it. What if 90% of white males/females had voted for McCain and McCain won the election?

While I do not believe Obama is the best person to be President, I think his election shows that America has moved past our major race issues and something to be proud of as an American. President Obama simply couldn't have been elected if America was a racists country. There is NO WAY a minority gets elected in most other countries to include South Korea, Japan, Germany, France and England. I'm not saying those countries are racists, I'm just pointing out that America has evolved to the point where a minority can be elected to our most prominent positions and that is not true for most other countries.

Do you think a Filipino could be elected President in South Korea? A Jewish person elected in Iran? A Turk in Germany? A Muslim in France or England? Maybe someday, but not anytime soon!

Another post of Mike's with which I agree entirely. Well done!

[Aikman_TheGreat]

Racism exists. Get over it. If you're not, ignore it. Its pretty easy people. Thats really all you gotta do. All of the intense arguments on this board are over racist things said by racist people, but none of us are racist. If we would just ignore it and let the ignorant people sound stupid and not listen to them, it wouldnt be a big deal.

Its not just racism though. There is discrimination for everything. When it comes to religion, this board is the worst! There are so many christian haters (just because they are christian). Why not just debate it and be done with it? Too hard for people around here I guess.

But....everyone discriminates (is that a word? ha). Think about it.

By the way, there is a movie called "White Men Cant Jump". Think about that too.

[gatorboymike]

Its not just racism though. There is discrimination for everything. When it comes to religion, this board is the worst! There are so many christian haters (just because they are christian). Why not just debate it and be done with it? Too hard for people around here I guess.

As far as religious debates go, very little ever gets accomplished. Having been in several myself and seen tons of them, I can tell you it's always the same. The Christians always make the exact same arguments and the atheists always offer the exact same rebuttals. I haven't heard an original point in months. It always ends up devolving into "I won't listen to you until you provide evidence for your claims" and "I won't listen to you no matter what!" I won't debate the same talking points copied and pasted from propaganda mill Web sites and lecturers. If somebody has an original argument, by all means toss it up. Otherwise it's utterly fruitless.

Furthermore, 99% of what I hear in the way of "debate" from theists is nothing but outright lies, quote mining and misrepresentation, emotional appeals, insults, character attacks, threats, slander, condescension, pseudoscience, outdated science, debunked science, obscenely childish and simplistic misunderstandings of science, strawman arguments, logical fallacies, special pleading, undeserved demands, word games, circular logic, spooky language, authoritarian appeals, internal inconsistencies, false hope, false sympathy, personal anecdotes, unverified claims, unverifiable claims, unsourced claims, whining, wheedling, whimpering, and running away. And in case you didn't take debate class in high school, none of that makes for a compelling argument. It's like showing up for a duel with an "invisible" gun.

[OnePimpTiger]

As far as religious debates go, very little ever gets accomplished. Having been in several myself and seen tons of them, I can tell you it's always the same. The Christians always make the exact same arguments and the atheists always offer the exact same rebuttals. I haven't heard an original point in months. It always ends up devolving into "I won't listen to you until you provide evidence for your claims" and "I won't listen to you no matter what!" I won't debate the same talking points copied and pasted from propaganda mill Web sites and lecturers. If somebody has an original argument, by all means toss it up. Otherwise it's utterly fruitless.

Furthermore, 99% of what I hear in the way of "debate" from theists is nothing but outright lies, quote mining and misrepresentation, emotional appeals, insults, character attacks, threats, slander, condescension, pseudoscience, outdated science, debunked science, obscenely childish and simplistic misunderstandings of science, strawman arguments, logical fallacies, special pleading, undeserved demands, word games, circular logic, spooky language, authoritarian appeals, internal inconsistencies, false hope, false sympathy, personal anecdotes, unverified claims, unverifiable claims, unsourced claims, whining, wheedling, whimpering, and running away. And in case you didn't take debate class in high school, none of that makes for a compelling argument. It's like showing up for a duel with an "invisible" gun.

And it only goes one way right?

You're also a hypocrite for denouncing the same behavior in others that you do yourself. I suppose you think that it's OK for you to slander others and make baseless accusations left and right, but not OK for anyone else, because of some inherent virtue that you and only you possess. That would be right in line with Christian behavior.

[gatorboymike]

And it only goes one way right?

Yawn. Have you framed that yet? And nailed it to the ceiling above your bed so you can have the squealing, toe-curling delight of reading it every time you wake up?

Don't take my word for it. Spend ten minutes on YouTube watching religious "debates" and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

[JimBeam]

Racism exists everywhere, but in America the white on minority racism is over reported and racism from other groups on whites is under reported.

For example, if a white male walks into a predominately black or Hispanic neighborhood and gets jumped it is called a crime. If a black male walks into a white neighborhood and the same thing happens there is a good chance it will go down as a hate crime and you will hear about it on the local and possible national news.

There are racists everywhere. When I was in Korea many of the South Koreas had lots of racial slurs for the Filipino community there. During my five years in Germany, many Germans were racist against the Turkish community. I've been to over 20 countries and I've yet to meet a race that didn't have their own racists or a country that didn't have race issues.

I'm a firm believer in racism breeds more racism. Meaning if one race is consistently attacked by another race the attacked race will become racists towards the attacking group. There are plenty of racists African Americans against whites. Their racists originals come from years and years of racism against them. Some are just racist because they blame whites for their problems regardless if they are truly the cause of their problems. 90% of African Americans voted for Obama and very little was said about it. What if 90% of white males/females had voted for McCain and McCain won the election?

While I do not believe Obama is the best person to be President, I think his election shows that America has moved past our major race issues and something to be proud of as an American. President Obama simply couldn't have been elected if America was a racists country. There is NO WAY a minority gets elected in most other countries to include South Korea, Japan, Germany, France and England. I'm not saying those countries are racists, I'm just pointing out that America has evolved to the point where a minority can be elected to our most prominent positions and that is not true for most other countries.

Do you think a Filipino could be elected President in South Korea? A Jewish person elected in Iran? A Turk in Germany? A Muslim in France or England? Maybe someday, but not anytime soon!

according to newspapers in germany,15%(!!!) aren't reluctant to vote the NPD (a party like the NSDAP in nazi-germany)-that is awful...

but like you say,in every countries there are problems with racism.

germany---turks,russians...

france---people from the magreb (marocco,egypt...)

england---india,pakistany...

south korea---phillipines

USA---black people (???)


and we can't stop that EVER-and that's a real shame-but a fact,like many of you guys already said.

[OnePimpTiger]

Yawn. Have you framed that yet? And nailed it to the ceiling above your bed so you can have the squealing, toe-curling delight of reading it every time you wake up?

Don't take my word for it. Spend ten minutes on YouTube watching religious "debates" and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

How many times have you used "Sunny Jim" and "Mr. Galt" and you're going to get on me for repeating something twice? And you've yet to deny it, so apparently it's just a given.

I've seen plenty of religious debates and both sides (including one gatorboymike) use those tactics equally.

[gatorboymike]

How many times have you used "Sunny Jim" and "Mr. Galt" and you're going to get on me for repeating something twice? And you've yet to deny it, so apparently it's just a given.

There's no point in trying to justify my actions or point of view to you, because you don't care to see things as they really are, but only how you wish them to be. For that matter, it's not worth my time, and I don't care what my ideological opponents think of me.

I've seen plenty of religious debates and both sides (including one gatorboymike) use those tactics equally.

It's far more likely that you, as those on your side of the fence inevitably do, simply project your own shortcomings and misdeeds onto your opponents. I'll be the first to admit that atheists are often every bit as disrespectful, dismissive and mocking toward theists as theists are towards us, and that I have no qualms whatsoever with that. We're disrespectful to you because we're sick of having it done to us and we refuse to stand by as religion sabotages every aspect of our society (conceived in liberty, aborted in theocracy). You're disrespectful to us because it pleases you to be so, and you feel you have a divine right, privilege and duty to be so. Theists started the war, but atheists will finish it. Your side has about as much ground to stand on as Wile E. Coyote does when he runs off a cliff and then hangs in mid-air until he realizes it. And you KNOW that. That's why you have to resort to using grassroots campaigns and political leverage to enforce your beliefs because you know they can't stand up on their own.

I've said all I feel like saying for now. I'm too angry to think straight and have taken this too far off topic.

[Olivertoxxin]

This debate is really hypocritical. All Races have people that don't like all races. I geuss what I'm trying to say is If you take all the races
Like some whites tend to hate blacks, blacks tend to hate whites. ECT.ECT.ECT. So to say noone is racist towards white people is way out in left field, and is nutty propaganda by the Leftwings.