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12-15-2009, 02:27 PM #11
well said mike.
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12-15-2009, 03:44 PM #12
Maybe if your comrades-in-arms weren't so dead-set on trying to convince everyone that liberalism is synonymous with atheism and that conservatism is synonymous with Christianity, people wouldn't be so shocked.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe religion is a 100% bad thing. I know our country and laws were founded on Christian principles and accept it. I also think religion can make people better. The problem is there are so many that use religion to harm others and control societies.
See, now you're just buying into party rhetoric. Our country was founded on no such thing. And the fact that it's one of the most integral parts of the rightist agenda to convince everyone of that untruth IS one of the very uses you yourself mention of religion being used to harm others and control societies. Conservative Christians would have us all believe that they invented the very idea that murder and rape and theft are bad, and that without them, we'd all descend into an unmitigated, seething orgy of same. The truth is that the USA's founding principles don't all come from the same place; those that conservative Christians take credit for, which every civilized society for the past 5,000 years have been practicing, and those that were totally new at the time. If we'd been founded on Christian principles, Christianity would have been fully and officially integrated into our laws and our government, and we'd be a Christian version of Saudi Arabia and Iran as you described. I don't want that and you don't either, if you truly are what you claim. Church and state separation is a founding principle of our country for a reason: the very instant religion taps into the well of state power, the well becomes hopelessly and irrevocably poisoned.
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12-15-2009, 04:23 PM #13
See, now you're just buying into party rhetoric. Our country was founded on no such thing.
Really? Then why is God mention in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence?
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
If you look at most historic US documents God is mentioned. All of our money has "In God We Trust." I don't know how the obvious always gets missed by you!
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12-15-2009, 04:47 PM #14
Really? Then why is God mention in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence?
If you look at most historic US documents God is mentioned. All of our money has "In God We Trust." I don't know how the obvious always gets missed by you!
Since when is the idea of god only connected to Christianity? It's possible to believe in a deity without believing in an organized religion.
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12-15-2009, 05:03 PM #15
Nobody said that the idea of a god is exclusive to Christianity. However, the term God in the Constitution and on money refers to the Christian deity, not any deity that one chooses.
The word god (lower case G) refers to a deity or being that is worshiped and is a general term for all deities. The term God (capital G) is the term for the Christian diety.
In Islam it is Allah, in Judaism it is Yaweh, in Hinduism it is Bhagwan, in Christianity it is God.
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Hey gatorboy, I was curious. When is the last time you approached a Jew, Hindu or Buddhist and argued with them that their god is false and they are fools for believing?
I ask because I have never once seen you say a negative thing about any of these religions. You only bash Christianity and Christians which makes me think that you are not an atheist but rather that you are bigoted against Christians. Just curious...
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12-15-2009, 06:10 PM #16
That sure isn't Yahweh, the Abrahamic god, it's talking about. Most of the founding fathers were deists, that is, they believe in a non-anthropomorphic, non-intervening, non-personal, non-specific god. And if you like historical quotes so much, do a search for quotations from our earliest presidents on Christianity. You'll find that many of them were quite condemning of it.
If you look at most historic US documents God is mentioned. All of our money has "In God We Trust." I don't know how the obvious always gets missed by you!
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The god reference was placed on US money during the 1950s. It wasn't there for the first 200 or so years of our country's existence. They only put it there when they wanted to convince themselves they were better than, and somehow divinely destined for victory over, godless Russia. I mean, if you're such a patriot, how can you not know that? Or are you just pretending not to know in hopes that I don't?
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12-15-2009, 06:24 PM #17
No Jew, Hindu or Buddhist has ever approached me and tried to beguile me with greasy, perfumed false promises of a heaven or bloodhtirsty, sadistic empty threats of a hell if I didn't join them. Yet I can barely take two steps out my front door without getting that from Christians. I have gotten that from Muslims twice, though. Both times ended up in shouting matches and one ended up in shoving. Then some malodorous girl wearing a bunch of ribbons ran up and accused me of being a racist. *bangs head on desk*
It's not the Jews, Hindus or Buddhists trying to claim dominion over my country, my culture and my government so they can usurp the power of the state and enslave the minds of its citizens to wage war on the world from the unscrupulous luxury of their ivory towers.
There's a very good reason why I don't bash them. They've never done anything to me to justify it. Christianity has. They are not in a position to do me significant harm. Christianity is. They are not actively trying to do me harm. Christianity is. That being said, I still consider those religions to be every bit as hollow, groundless and unjustifiable as Christianity. If there was some Hindu organization out there trying to get the name of Vishnu printed on my money, destroy my freedom, encourage its followers to kill me and subvert my government, you bet your spleen I'd be bashing them. And by the way, who I do and do not bash is a separate issue from whether I do or do not believe in gods.
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12-15-2009, 08:51 PM #18
What's really interesting is when two people of different belief systems meet, have a very happy relationship, and thus inspire jealousy and rage from both sides because neither think "it should be." After all, I am supposed to be a drooling retard who bombs abortion clinics and loathes science, and my husband-to-be is supposed to be a hellbound maniac who wants to turn the land into godless socialism.
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12-15-2009, 08:58 PM #19
dude, I know nothing I can do will make you stop it, but enough already with the "christians are trying to kill me" junk. there is no christian conspiracy to kill everyone who isn't a christian. it has reached the point where it is almost laughable because you are so out of touch with reality.
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12-15-2009, 09:37 PM #20
You are correct, but there is a conspiracy that is after only him, its an arm of the Illuminati.
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Originally Posted by mikesilvia 
