book value

[BCUS28]

It's funny how on the cover of a Beckett magazine it says "New Pricing!". Oh, so they are placing "prices" on cards??? I don't know about that ;)

Beckett used to be useful before the internet age got big, as it was really the only way to deal with cards. Now that the entire world has access to what cards have sold for/sell for, a real price range of what people have paid can be obtained in an instant.

My opinion is that book values should only be used for trading nowadays.

[gladdyontherise]

I sold one of my Steve Nash autos at my last Phoenix show for $100. Why? Because it booked at $60-$120. The last one I saw online went for $55. Just as a sell value person would always argue why would I trade a card that ebay has at $55 for a card ebay has at $30 even if they book the same, I ask you why would I use a single source to price my cards instead of a guide that draws information from multiple sources? (And no, I don't think they are always awesome at what they do, but they are accurate enough on most stuff that I collect).

And using your reasoning, why the heck do auto dealers use Kelley Blue Book? I mean, they list the value of this car around $16,500. Obviously ebay tells us its only worth $11,000.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...fCarsQ5fTrucks

Ebay is a great resource to know if you had to move a card quickly just to get some $ what you could expect to get. It's also lower than I sell 75% of my stuff at (and the other 25% is when I find a bargain somewhere and simply want to make up paypal fast). If you have 90% of your collection listed in an ebay store, like I know some people do, then it makes sense to use that as your primary pricing. If you are a collector who doesn't mind hanging on to stuff and use trading as your primary source of acquiring cards, then it's not very useful at all. Unless, of course, you don't plan on collecting any current players nor anything in the offseason of a sport.

Just my input..... and yes, I only read these threads for pure entertainment, no one could come close to convincing me to use ebay to price my cards than I could convince a sell value guy he's a fool :-)

Yes, you can get people to pay more at shows who have no idea about 'book value' or sell value. in this case you got lucky...

however if your gonna insist a LeBron base card is worth as a Carmelo Anthony GU card than i dont know what else to say.

[tylermckinzie]

Yes, you can get people to pay more at shows who have no idea about 'book value' or sell value. in this case you got lucky...

however if your gonna insist a LeBron base card is worth as a Carmelo Anthony GU card than i dont know what else to say.

http://cgi.ebay.com/07-08-SP-Game-Us...item3efd91b18a

http://cgi.ebay.com/LeBron-James-200...item19ba96040a

I'd say that it's not the best argument to make when you're trying to prove your point.....

And it's not luck when 75% of your sells are above ebay prices- it's just proof that ebay is the best price when you are in a hurry to get money for something, but the worst place for getting maximum value of a card.

[gladdyontherise]

http://cgi.ebay.com/07-08-SP-Game-Us...item3efd91b18a

http://cgi.ebay.com/LeBron-James-200...item19ba96040a

I'd say that it's not the best argument to make when you're trying to prove your point.....

And it's not luck when 75% of your sells are above ebay prices- it's just proof that ebay is the best price when you are in a hurry to get money for something, but the worst place for getting maximum value of a card.

And is that going to happen everytime? of course not, but no ones trading a Melo GU for a LeBron base no matter if they did sell or 'book' the same.

First, props on getting a higher selling price, wont try to argue that, the card is what someone is willing to pay, take this example:

i've sold a Baron Davis common GU for $18 (no i'm not kidding, and i didnt make that offer, the buyer did) does that mean the GU is worth $18? HECK NO but it was the price someone was willing to pay.

A card is only worth what someones will pay for it, not what a book estimates it, what one person will pay for, someone else might not.

I must say this forum is the worst for showing what a cards worth, no matter how reasonable your prices are, someone always wants it lower.

Examples of this on this forum, i offered a Frank Thomas 3 color patch /25 for $30, they said they'd bid on it on ebay instead insuating my price was to high, it ended for $50. I also had a Allie Reynolds YSL GU, offered it for $25 on here, $10 under ebay. It ends for $90 on ebay

In the end its worth what someone will pay, except here, this sites like a flee market most the time lol

[xavieronly1]

Yes, you can get people to pay more at shows who have no idea about 'book value' or sell value. in this case you got lucky...

however if your gonna insist a LeBron base card is worth as a Carmelo Anthony GU card than i dont know what else to say.

Not just in card show, some people overpay stuff in ebay also. I have seen card in ebay selling more in auction while there is BIN with cheaper price.
And some Lebron worths more than Melo GU. There are way too many Melo GU that can be bought for $5.

[gladdyontherise]

Not just in card show, some people overpay stuff in ebay also. I have seen card in ebay selling more in auction while there is BIN with cheaper price.
And some Lebron worths more than Melo GU. There are way too many Melo GU that can be bought for $5.

and there arent millions of LeBron base cards? lol

[xavieronly1]

and there arent millions of LeBron base cards? lol

and your point being?

[xavieronly1]

And is that going to happen everytime? of course not, but no ones trading a Melo GU for a LeBron base no matter if they did sell or 'book' the same.

First, props on getting a higher selling price, wont try to argue that, the card is what someone is willing to pay, take this example:

i've sold a Baron Davis common GU for $18 (no i'm not kidding, and i didnt make that offer, the buyer did) does that mean the GU is worth $18? HECK NO but it was the price someone was willing to pay.

A card is only worth what someones will pay for it, not what a book estimates it, what one person will pay for, someone else might not.

I must say this forum is the worst for showing what a cards worth, no matter how reasonable your prices are, someone always wants it lower.

Examples of this on this forum, i offered a Frank Thomas 3 color patch /25 for $30, they said they'd bid on it on ebay instead insuating my price was to high, it ended for $50. I also had a Allie Reynolds YSL GU, offered it for $25 on here, $10 under ebay. It ends for $90 on ebay

In the end its worth what someone will pay, except here, this sites like a flee market most the time lol

Just being there is 1 idiot buying your GU for $18, that does not mean it will sell for $18 again next time.

I have seen a card that has not popped in ebay for good 8 months. All the sudden, people are bidding on the same card up to $125. 1 week later, the same seller put the same card out with different serial number. The "wow" factor is gone. Second card only goes for $30.

And I bet all the sellers will keep that $125 as their "price", while ignore the $30 saying the card is not in right condition, blah blah. And all the buyers want "$30" for the buying price and saying "$125" has bidding war, and shilling, blah blah.

And this is why I go by beckett for lower end item. I have this book, and you have this book. I just do not like to give just 1 example to other person just to put me in advanage of my postion.

And besides, what exactly is SV anyway? What the buyer paid? Or what the seller actually gets after all the fee and mailing fee?

[gladdyontherise]

Just being there is 1 idiot buying your GU for $18, that does not mean it will sell for $18 again next time.

I have seen a card that has not popped in ebay for good 8 months. All the sudden, people are bidding on the same card up to $125. 1 week later, the same seller put the same card out with different serial number. The "wow" factor is gone. Second card only goes for $30.

And I bet all the sellers will keep that $125 as their "price", while ignore the $30 saying the card is not in right condition, blah blah. And all the buyers want "$30" for the buying price and saying "$125" has bidding war, and shilling, blah blah.

And this is why I go by beckett for lower end item. I have this book, and you have this book. I just do not like to give just 1 example to other person just to put me in advanage of my postion.

And besides, what exactly is SV anyway? What the buyer paid? Or what the seller actually gets after all the fee and mailing fee?

If you bothered reading what i said, i said obviously the card is still a common and not actually $18, but it was worth that much to that buyer, but you didnt read that..

i average the 2, not everyone will, and if they try that i dont waste my time, sell value is what the card sells for.

[whalechaser]

A card is only worth what someones will pay for it, not what a book estimates it, what one person will pay for, someone else might not.

I hear this all the time. In some ways it's true, but I don't completely agree with it. An item is not necessarily worth what someone is willing to pay unless it's a rare 1/1 item.

Because we are a society, we have something known as "shared value". So what's worth $10 to me only, might not be worth $10 in the world. Now if a card is worth $10 to me AND it's worth $10 to someone else, then we have more of a shared value, and if 1000 people believe it's worth $10, then that's a pretty accurate gauge of the item's true value.

What an item sold at one time does not accurately reflect a "true value" unless it occurs many times. It's like in psychological testing when we measure intangible constructs; what a person's one time test score is only an obtained score (like cards "obtained value) and only gives a hint of what the person''s true score (liken to card's "true value").

Now if I have the funds I would pay $10 for every Bulls base card I don't have. Does that mean the card's worth what I'm willing to pay? No way, not when viewed in the context of the society / collecting world as a whole.

I still maintain that Beckett is fairly accurate when giving a range of what a card's true value might fall under. A range is the best we can do when we try to place specific value on a intangible construct (card value, IQ, processing ability, etc. etc.).