Official 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[nadeau01_johnson48]

Guess you don't watch the Cavs if you think their bench is nothing.....Varejao is the best 6th man in the league, hands down. Delonte is better than AP, and plays like a monster off the bench. Z is still one of the best shooting big men in the game.

EDIT: Forgot about Hickson, one of the best young PF's in the game. He's also on the bench come playoff time.

I couldn't even name one Bulls guy on their bench.

And I never said Mo/LBJ could beat the Bulls 2-on-5, I'm simply saying they've taken a step back from last year....Salmons was a HUGE piece, and you guys let him go. Look at what he's doing in Milwaukee...same thing he did in Chicago last year.

[Italy61587]

Guess you don't watch the Cavs if you think their bench is nothing.....Varejao is the best 6th man in the league, hands down. Delonte is better than AP, and plays like a monster off the bench. Z is still one of the best shooting big men in the game.

EDIT: Forgot about Hickson, one of the best young PF's in the game. He's also on the bench come playoff time.

I couldn't even name one Bulls guy on their bench.

And I never said Mo/LBJ could beat the Bulls 2-on-5, I'm simply saying they've taken a step back from last year....Salmons was a HUGE piece, and you guys let him go. Look at what he's doing in Milwaukee...same thing he did in Chicago last year.

I don't know what cleveland guys see in Varejao...he's a scrappy player that gives energy off the bench but does the little things......that's it....he's far from best 6th man (Jamal Craword)...Delonte is average, maybe an above average defender but he's small....Big Z plays like a robot (the only reason why the brought him back was probably since the organization would have felt terrible if they would have won a ring without him)....the guy can't move or jump but can pop out for a 3 in a pic-n-roll sitution, but even brad miller can do that

The Bulls bench isn't terrible....Miller gives a good spark of the bench offensively. Flip Murray, I've personally seen this guy torch the Bulls before he became one. The guy can turn it on as well from 3. Hakim Warrick is descent of the bench.

I mean c'mon, Cleveland is in the postiton they're in because of lebron...don't name me the 3rd guy of the bench and try to convince me that they're vital pieces.

[gladdyontherise]

I don't know what cleveland guys see in Varejao...he's a scrappy player that gives energy off the bench but does the little things......that's it....he's far from best 6th man (Jamal Craword)...Delonte is average, maybe an above average defender but he's small....Big Z plays like a robot (the only reason why the brought him back was probably since the organization would have felt terrible if they would have won a ring without him)....the guy can't move or jump but can pop out for a 3 in a pic-n-roll sitution, but even brad miller can do that

The Bulls bench isn't terrible....Miller gives a good spark of the bench offensively. Flip Murray, I've personally seen this guy torch the Bulls before he became one. The guy can turn it on as well from 3. Hakim Warrick is descent of the bench.

I mean c'mon, Cleveland is in the postiton they're in because of lebron...don't name me the 3rd guy of the bench and try to convince me that they're vital pieces.

The Bulls bench is terrible though, if they were so good they wouldnt be 38-40

[Italy61587]

The Bulls bench is terrible though, if they were so good they wouldnt be 38-40

You're totally missing the point man....You nitpick at posts and choose to rebuttal at very small portions.

Bulls are 38-40 because we were missing Noah, Deng, Hinrich, or Rose or combination of these players for like half the year....


ONCE AGAIN, I'm not arguing that the Bulls would win a series against them. I'm just saying it would be competitive and fun to watch...

[nadeau01_johnson48]

I don't know what cleveland guys see in Varejao...he's a scrappy player that gives energy off the bench but does the little things......that's it....he's far from best 6th man (Jamal Craword)...Delonte is average, maybe an above average defender but he's small....Big Z plays like a robot (the only reason why the brought him back was probably since the organization would have felt terrible if they would have won a ring without him)....the guy can't move or jump but can pop out for a 3 in a pic-n-roll sitution, but even brad miller can do that

The Bulls bench isn't terrible....Miller gives a good spark of the bench offensively. Flip Murray, I've personally seen this guy torch the Bulls before he became one. The guy can turn it on as well from 3. Hakim Warrick is descent of the bench.

I mean c'mon, Cleveland is in the postiton they're in because of lebron...don't name me the 3rd guy of the bench and try to convince me that they're vital pieces.

Cleveland is in the position they are because of the team top to bottom. If it was all because of LeBron, why did they struggle to win 30 games his first two seasons? You need a solid rotation, and the Cavs have arguably the best in the game.

Varejao is priceless. You, as a Bulls fan of all people, should understand that since you have Noah. Varejao doesn't have the 2nd highest plus/minus in the NBA for no reason....he makes countless hustle plays, and ALWAYS finds a way to give the Cavs an extra possession whenever possible.

[gladdyontherise]

You're totally missing the point man....You nitpick at posts and choose to rebuttal at very small portions.

Bulls are 38-40 because we were missing Noah, Deng, Hinrich, or Rose or combination of these players for like half the year....


ONCE AGAIN, I'm not arguing that the Bulls would win a series against them. I'm just saying it would be competitive and fun to watch...

What a cop out, EVERY team deals with injuries...Bulls could compete with #retirementcenter but not the Cavs

[whalechaser]

Guess you don't watch the Cavs if you think their bench is nothing.....Varejao is the best 6th man in the league, hands down. Delonte is better than AP, and plays like a monster off the bench. Z is still one of the best shooting big men in the game.

EDIT: Forgot about Hickson, one of the best young PF's in the game. He's also on the bench come playoff time.

I couldn't even name one Bulls guy on their bench.

Guess you don't watch the Bulls if you can't even name one Bulls guy on their bench.

I watch plenty of games. West is inconsistent and can't be relied upon every night to put up 6 points consistently. His name might as well be Jannero Pargo (A bulls bench player by the way)

Varejao is ONE of the best sixth man in the league, but if you think he is "the BEST hands down" you are deluded and insulting players like Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry, Manu Ginobli. Varejao provides a great defensive presence, hussle plays, lots of energy, but lack the scoring to make a very potent sixth man. One of the most important aspect of a strong bench is being able to provide that great scoring punch when they come in. Look at the history of past Sixth man of the year winners. Most of the are able to score at least 11 PPG. Varejao is in the mold of players like Anthony Mason and Corliss Williamson but he's nowhere even close to them when they won the awards. Hopefully he gets there but he's not there yet.

Ilgauskas is really old and barely runs the floor. He shoots at a 44% clip. A nice 2% better than the Brad Miller (backup center for Bulls, oh look you learned another Bull's bench player's name) except Brad Miller knows how to pass better and runs the floor better. Yes Ilgauskas an excellent asset.

And I never said Mo/LBJ could beat the Bulls 2-on-5, I'm simply saying they've taken a step back from last year....Salmons was a HUGE piece, and you guys let him go. Look at what he's doing in Milwaukee...same thing he did in Chicago last year.

I didn't say you said it, it was gladdy who was making that statment.

[whalechaser]

Cleveland is in the position they are because of the team top to bottom. If it was all because of LeBron, why did they struggle to win 30 games his first two seasons? You need a solid rotation, and the Cavs have arguably the best in the game.

Lebron was only 18 and 19 his first two seasons? He was a boy playing in a man's game. Even if his body was not of a boy's I'm sure his mental state still was.

[nadeau01_johnson48]

Guess you don't watch the Bulls if you can't even name one Bulls guy on their bench.

I watch plenty of games. West is inconsistent and can't be relied upon every night to put up 6 points consistently. His name might as well be Jannero Pargo (A bulls bench player by the way)

Varejao is ONE of the best sixth man in the league, but if you think he is "the BEST hands down" you are deluded and insulting players like Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry, Manu Ginobli. Varejao provides a great defensive presence, hussle plays, lots of energy, but lack the scoring to make a very potent sixth man. One of the most important aspect of a strong bench is being able to provide that great scoring punch when they come in. Look at the history of past Sixth man of the year winners. Most of the are able to score at least 11 PPG. Varejao is in the mold of players like Anthony Mason and Corliss Williamson but he's nowhere even close to them when they won the awards. Hopefully he gets there but he's not there yet.

Ilgauskas is really old and barely runs the floor. He shoots at a 44% clip. A nice 2% better than the Brad Miller (backup center for Bulls, oh look you learned another Bull's bench player's name) except Brad Miller knows how to pass better and runs the floor better. Yes Ilgauskas an excellent asset.



I didn't say you said it, it was gladdy who was making that statment.

Varejao is the best, hands down. If you don't like it, tough. We don't need a firepower 6th man like Manu or Crawford to light up for 20 a night off the bench. Varejao is the epitome of what a 6th man should be for the Cavs. And he does it better than anyone in the league. A big part of why they have the best record, and again, why Andy is 2nd in the league in +/-.

[nadeau01_johnson48]

Lebron was only 18 and 19 his first two seasons? He was a boy playing in a man's game. Even if his body was not of a boy's I'm sure his mental state still was.

And yet he still went 21/5/6 and 27/7/7 his first two seasons.....