Carey Who ??????

[Drifter2000]

I agree with pretty well everything you said. Although I think he did feel like the team could make it. The trades are all part of this "re-tooling" crap that's been going on. It screams of yet ANOTHER quick fix for this organization. So I'm not holding my breath on it being successful.

As far as Phaneuf goes; yes...he's quite overrated. He's being paid more than he's worth. That being said; he brings a lot of intangibles and leadership to a locker room that's been lacking it for quite some time. I think it's a little too early to look at a 25 year old defenseman and say he's all he'll ever be, not that it was what you're saying. The deal changed the room's culture, and it showed at the end of the year.

The deal to bring JSG to Toronto was an overlooked one (although I've been told Dave Nonis...who I'm sure we're going to lose soon, is the one who made that one happen). I honestly never though we'd ever be able to get rid of Jason Blake, or get anything for Vesa Toskala. Yet we picked up an experienced goalie who plays solid and can help mentor Gustavsson.

But yeah...by the time Burke leaves, this team and it's prospect system will be in a total state of disarry. I'm crossing my fingers that Nonis will stay on board and take over when Burke is done. I know we're going to end up in as bad a shape as we were three years ago.

Obviously he had to say it publicly (they'll challenge for a spot) but that doesn't mean he has make trades as if he really believes it.

I would never suggest he knowingly has a 29th place team. He didn't see this coming, otherwise he'd never make the trade. Poor judge of what he had; likely fell too much in love with some of his moves.

The Phaneuf deal? I have said repeatedly that I think he's an exceptionally overrated defenseman. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. I also think Burke ROBBED Calgary on that deal. A+ move.

Burke is a good GM, IMO.... but has done nothing ever to prove he's a great one. In Vancouver he found limited success, and left the team in a mess when he was gone.

In Anahime - he took an established team, signed Scott Neidermayer, and traded for Chris Pronger. Neither of those are exactly brilliant moves. Great moves? Yes. I'm sure every arm-chair GM out there would have made the same ones though.

They win a Cup, he rides it out for a couple of years, and leaves as the team is becoming a mess.

One thing I'll really give him credit for though - the College & Europe signings. He's getting assets for nothing. Very smart moves.

[cnshockey]

Well, different philosophies, I guess.

When you're a virtual lock for the lottery, likely top 5.... and maybe #1 again, I don't think you should ever trade your first round pick. Even if you get a legit star for it.... it may not work out so well. Ask Toronto. (I don't think many people picked them to finish last in the East - but you were drinking too much of Burke's Koolaid if you thought they ever had a chance to make the playoffs).

Pickard looks like he's going to be a good one. I don't imagine he'll still be available at 31 (someone will take him). Honestly, I'd rather the Oilers pass on him anyway. If you're not going to take a goalie with a top 5 pick (and there are very few of them) take them in the mid rounds (was very happy with the Olivier Roy selection last year). They're sooooooo hit or miss, and you don't really know for a couple of years..... I'd rather go with the high impact forwards & defenseman in the first couple of rounds.

If they can announce Kirill Kabanov with the 31st pick (That's where he's 'ranked' now) I will take back a lot of the bad things I've said about management over the last few years.

I don't think theres a shot in H E double hockey sticks that Kabanov slips past the kings pick. You REALLY think we'd pass on a goal scoring LWer?

[bdcsports]

How did this gop from a discussion about Halak / Price situation to the Oilers. Leafs and Number 1 draft picks

[RGM81]

Because of post #28.

[Captngeetch]

At 2am I was comfortably in bed sleeping.

Also, this:

https://www.sportscardforum.com/showp...6&postcount=24

I will overrule this post. You can't Ban discussion, or opinion.

Continue the debate

[dtab316]

I remember when Price was a rookie and on another website (*cough*beckett*cough), I warned others about comparing Price to Roy. There were several of them. I compared Price to red-light Racicot.

It looks like I was right.

[sholi2000]

I remember when Price was a rookie and on another website (*cough*beckett*cough), I warned others about comparing Price to Roy. There were several of them. I compared Price to red-light Racicot.

It looks like I was right.

Racicot has a Stanley Cup Ring, so I hope you're right.

[dtab316]

If Price wins a ring, it'll be as a back-up for another team. Consider him gone come summer time!

[cnshockey]

I feel like if Price gets traded, he's going to have a breakout year and have a shot at winning a cup. If he goes to philly and they don't have to break the bank to get him, he can lead that team to the Cup finals and lose to the Kings ;)