In my opinion, BVs actually slow down the trading process ...

[canucksfan007]

Hey all

Was just trying to work out a couple deals ..... and BVs sure do get in the way.

I have always been pretty lenient with how other members wanted to trade, either BVs or Cash values. I find that people who choose to only use Beckett values are stuck in the past .... Beckett is not the most up to date option for people in the hobby to use. Today, we have things like the internet ... ebay to be exact, where values are determined everyday.

Im not sure why I even ask these questions, because I already know the answer .... so just read these as rhetorical questions.

Why does a "100 BV" card sell for $25?
Why does another "100 BV" card sell for $85?

Why do all those 10 - 20BV autos that sell for 0.99 + shipping on ebay still book at 10 - 20?

Of course the answer is because the people at the top of the totem pole at Beckett probably have no clue about the Hobby. A perfect example would be the NHL, Gary Betman has never laced up the skates, he's probably never even played street hockey as a kid .... but isnt that they way things go? The most unqualified people get to make al the big decisions.

Ive been trading online now since 2005, and trading sure has evoloved since then. It has been said before, but it now feels like members need to "win" trades ...... but specific deals are not what im talking about right now ...

Back to the topic ..... why do so many people insist on trading beckett value when its so obvious that the people at beckett do not know what they are talking about? Members now seem to trade by both BVs and Cash values, but only when it benefits them. For example:

Card A = BV 100 .... sells $85. Therfore I want $85s cash value for this card
Card B = BV 100 .... sells $25. Therfore I want full 100BV for this card

Its just stupid.

Trading cards is basially trading money. Is anyone gonna trade $100 for $60 ....... of course not.

Bottom line ...... ebay is by far the most complete, accurate way to determine values on cards. No its not perfect, but its by far the best we have so far.

I am for now on am only trading with cash values ......

Just wanted to hear other opinions.


Discuss.

[Qwikflipz]

Well, my work is done, you are correct.

[haelwho2]

Since I think your rant is partially directed towards me, I'll throw in my two cents

I think it's a double-edged sword. When you look at eBay listings, you're looking at a very small sampling of the market. It only goes back a month or so. Just because a card sold for something last week doesn't mean it didn't sell for more six months ago and won't sell for even more in the future. It

Something I always keep in mind as well is player potential. I think of the players I collect the same way a GM thinks of his roster. For the most part, a guy who's 18 and has the potential to score 40 goals a year has a lot more value than a guy who's 33 and scoring 20 a year, even if the younger guy hasn't established himself yet. There's a lot to be said for potential, hobby or real.

So while I don't think book value is the be-all-end-all value, I don't think you can necessarily discount it in favor of eBay prices every time.

[Goose97]

Ah! I love it! I'm always up for these BV's talk.

I agree with the adage that Beckett is beyond it's use. That is completely true for newer cards post lockout. Older cards on the other hand, especially pre 2000, a little bit of guide use is okay..... loosely!

I will trade either way with anyone. BV's. Cash values, and my personal favourite, gut feeling! I'm not too picky, and I pick up on what, who I trade with, prefers how to do business. To me, I'll work with anyone, and be fair. I'll be creative as well. I've even used my best guess without even looking at a Beckett to figure out trades. A few members lately have witnessed this when I was bang on. That's only possible because Beckett has become too predictable. Plus when trading BV's, I like to use a 20% swing in values. If you got $100BV, and I got $120BV, and whats on the table looks good, I'll go with it.

It's been a little over a year since I got back into trading, and have had to adapt to every situation I've come across. lately, and due to the fact my time constraints really limit my ability to do a lot of trading. I've been using my gut feeling more.

I have nothing to complain about with any way that anyone has as a trade preference. If you trust the BV, I'll work with you. If you watch how it goes on ebay, so will I. If my /10 Zetterberg is worth your /24 Jagr, plus some Ovechkin trade bait, and it seems like it will fly..... Then I'm getting an out of /24 Jagr... Cool!

Always remember, It's about the people you meet, and have a chance to work with. Make it a positive situation, and you'll get a positive outcome. Have fun trading

[Qwikflipz]

Since I think your rant is partially directed towards me, I'll throw in my two cents

I think it's a double-edged sword. When you look at eBay listings, you're looking at a very small sampling of the market. It only goes back a month or so. Just because a card sold for something last week doesn't mean it didn't sell for more six months ago and won't sell for even more in the future. It

Something I always keep in mind as well is player potential. I think of the players I collect the same way a GM thinks of his roster. For the most part, a guy who's 18 and has the potential to score 40 goals a year has a lot more value than a guy who's 33 and scoring 20 a year, even if the younger guy hasn't established himself yet. There's a lot to be said for potential, hobby or real.

So while I don't think book value is the be-all-end-all value, I don't think you can necessarily discount it in favor of eBay prices every time.

But the trade is happening when the ebay sales are. The trade isn't for the future, or the past. The current trade is equal to the current eBay sales. Potential is the most overrated way to trade. So Stamkos may be big in the hobby, or may he won't. No one can predict the future. So no one should trade with inaccurate potential SV.

[Puntown]

with that logic im gonna start trading my /1999 rookies at $80 cause they might turn into 40 goal scorers potentially...im obviously being sarcastic...i think you may want to check your wording cause thats how its coming off

Since I think your rant is partially directed towards me, I'll throw in my two cents

I think it's a double-edged sword. When you look at eBay listings, you're looking at a very small sampling of the market. It only goes back a month or so. Just because a card sold for something last week doesn't mean it didn't sell for more six months ago and won't sell for even more in the future. It

Something I always keep in mind as well is player potential. I think of the players I collect the same way a GM thinks of his roster. For the most part, a guy who's 18 and has the potential to score 40 goals a year has a lot more value than a guy who's 33 and scoring 20 a year, even if the younger guy hasn't established himself yet. There's a lot to be said for potential, hobby or real.

So while I don't think book value is the be-all-end-all value, I don't think you can necessarily discount it in favor of eBay prices every time.

[Qwikflipz]

with that logic im gonna start trading my /1999 rookies at $80 cause they might turn into 40 goal scorers potentially...im obviously being sarcastic...i think you may want to check your wording cause thats how its coming off

Exactly

[haelwho2]

But the trade is happening when the ebay sales are. The trade isn't for the future, or the past. The current trade is equal to the current eBay sales. Potential is the most overrated way to trade. So Stamkos may be big in the hobby, or may he won't. No one can predict the future. So no one should trade with inaccurate potential SV.

You're talking as if every time a negotiation process is begun, a trade needs to come of it. I've had plenty of situations where I've tried to work out a deal with someone, we haven't been able to come to terms, and we've both moved on. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with it. Many times we've been able to work out different deals down the line.

Some guys come into the league with $200 book value cards before they play their first game, some guys don't but their cards end up there eventually. If someone at this same time last year had a Stamkos Cup RC and wanted $1,000 for it, he would've probably been out of luck. And now, if that same person was smart enough to keep their card, they would likely get that much or more.

[Qwikflipz]

You're talking as if every time a negotiation process is begun, a trade needs to come of it. I've had plenty of situations where I've tried to work out a deal with someone, we haven't been able to come to terms, and we've both moved on. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with it. Many times we've been able to work out different deals down the line.

Some guys come into the league with $200 book value cards before they play their first game, some guys don't but their cards end up there eventually. If someone at this same time last year had a Stamkos Cup RC and wanted $1,000 for it, he would've probably been out of luck. And now, if that same person was smart enough to keep their card, they would likely get that much or more.

And next year, it could drop. When you make a trade/sale. It is about what is happening at this moment.

[Puntown]

hael your taking this too personal...he didnt call you out...he clearly said that he has come to this conclusion over several trades...it was you who brought your name into it...just because you might have been the last one he tried to deal with doesnt mean hes attacking you.