Reds/Mets controversial call

**Redman5006** · 07-06-2010, 07:59 PM

Surprised this hasent been brought up. I guess the all star selections have over shadowed this story. I am confused a little as to how umps can overrule this call. I understand that a judgment call cannot be overruled except in certain situations. I thumbed through my mlb rule book and havent really found anything clear on this. Maybe someone with a clearer understanding on the rules can help.

**nadeau01_johnson48** · 07-06-2010, 08:20 PM

I'd comment on it if I had any idea what happened/what you're talking about.

**Redman5006** · 07-06-2010, 08:29 PM

Wow, I have seen it all day on MLB network and its been talked about during Braves/Phillies game tonight.

Here you go-
http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/201...al_call_m.html

**nadeau01_johnson48** · 07-06-2010, 08:46 PM

Haven't had on MLB Network at all today, so that's probably why.....interesting though.

Can't believe they overturned a judgement call--rule book states judgement calls can not be overturned.

**jaybird_1981** · 07-06-2010, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Redman5006 View Post

Surprised this hasent been brought up. I guess the all star selections have over shadowed this story. I am confused a little as to how umps can overrule this call. I understand that a judgment call cannot be overruled except in certain situations. I thumbed through my mlb rule book and havent really found anything clear on this. Maybe someone with a clearer understanding on the rules can help.

Where did you read you can't overturn a judgment call? If the umpire who made the call asks for help and they discuss it and they see something he didn't they can overturn it.

**Redman5006** · 07-06-2010, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by jaybird_1981 View Post

Where did you read you can't overturn a judgment call? If the umpire who made the call asks for help and they discuss it and they see something he didn't they can overturn it.

Pretty much what I was saying when I said "except certain situations". Another umpire that did not make the call cannot offer help. Only the umpire that made the call can ask for help. I am wondeing if there are other situations that where they over turn calls or is this it. After seeing this it really makes me wonder why Jim Joyce didnt ask for help in Galarragas almost perfect game.

**nadeau01_johnson48** · 07-06-2010, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by jaybird_1981 View Post

Where did you read you can't overturn a judgment call? If the umpire who made the call asks for help and they discuss it and they see something he didn't they can overturn it.

MLB rulebook states that.

I figured after Galarraga's perfect-miss, everyone knew that rule?

**jaybird_1981** · 07-06-2010, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by nadeau01_johnson48 View Post

MLB rulebook states that.

I figured after Galarraga's perfect-miss, everyone knew that rule?

This isn't true. An umpire can overturn his call after conversing with the other umpires and it happens from time to time in situations like the Rolen one.

**jaybird_1981** · 07-06-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Redman5006 View Post

Pretty much what I was saying when I said "except certain situations". Another umpire that did not make the call cannot offer help. Only the umpire that made the call can ask for help. I am wondeing if there are other situations that where they over turn calls or is this it. After seeing this it really makes me wonder why Jim Joyce didnt ask for help in Galarragas almost perfect game.

Plays at the plate are a lot easier to ask for help on because sometimes you can be shielded by the catcher and not see what really happened. If you were to ask for help for calls at first base it would open a whole can of worms.