Brian Murray Should Be Fired

[centrehice]

Said he couldn't sign Volchenkov for under 5 Mil per, then Uncle Lou beats him like a cheap rug and does exactly that.

Murray then goes out and overpays to the tune of 2.5 Mil for the fossil and cronically OOP Gonchar. He's looking for his team to score more, yeah, and while Gonchar is doing his Bobby Orr impersonation in the opposition end, the other team has caught him out of position and is filling the net.
Volchenkov is arguably the best defensive checking defenseman in the league, Gonchar couldn't take your wallet from you if you were both in a phone booth.

To top things off. Spezza has the worst contract in the NHL. What was Murray thinking paying this guy 3 times the league average.

If I'm a Sens fan, my season ticket package would be in the bin.

[great1]

Volchenkov probably thought there would be a lot of demand for his services and could get $5 million/year easily. If I remember correctly he turned down a 4.5 million/4 year contract with Ottawa. New Jersey gave him 6 years and with his style of play, will he be worth $4.25 million/year by the end of the contract?

Gonchar will make Ottawa's powerplay much better and should be a good mentor for Karlsson.

I think Spezza is paid fairly and to say his contract is worse then Drury, Gomez, Campbell, Vanek and Redden is crazy

[centrehice]

Volchenkov probably thought there would be a lot of demand for his services and could get $5 million/year easily. If I remember correctly he turned down a 4.5 million/4 year contract with Ottawa. New Jersey gave him 6 years and with his style of play, will he be worth $4.25 million/year by the end of the contract?

Gonchar will make Ottawa's powerplay much better and should be a good mentor for Karlsson.

I think Spezza is paid fairly and to say his contract is worse then Drury, Gomez, Campbell, Vanek and Redden is crazy

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Spezza's contract is as follows:

2010-2011 - $7,000,000.00
2011-2012 - $7,000,000.00
2012-2013 - $7,000,000.00
2013-2014 - $7,000,000.00
2014-2015 - $7,000,000.00

2015-2016 - Unrestricted Free Agent.


So, now Spezza is being paid $35,000,000.00 for the next 5 years.

Spezza scores 24.4 goals per year, and produces 43.4 points per year.

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Let's look at Drury: $7,050,000.00 per year for the next 2 Years. Drury produces 23 goals per year, and 32.3 points per year. One goal less than Spezza and 12 points per year less than Spezza - The 2 remaining years make this Push, granted severely overpaid

Lets look at Redden: $6,500,000.00 per year for the same period. Agreed waay too much.


Let's look at Vanek: $7,140,000.00 per year for ONE LESS year than Spezza. 34.4 Goals per year and produces 62.6 points per year. Vanek scores 10 more goals per year, and produces 19.2 more points per year than Spezza. Overpaid, but much better value than Spezza.

Let's look at Gomez: $7,357,143.00 per year for ONE LESS year than Spezza. Gomez produces a paltry 16 goals per season, 8 goals less than Spezza per year but manages to produce 63.7 points per year, 20.3 more points per year than Spezza. This favours Gomez even though he can't score, and one year less at this pay rate.


Let's Look at Campbell: $7,142,875.00 per year for ONE MORE year than Spezza. I haven't done the totals for Campbell or Redden because they are defensemen, but Campbell's contract is a nightmare.

Let's look at Team Money. With the exception of Vanek and Campbell, the other contracts, Gomez, Drury, and Redden were executed by the Rangers. The Rangers have a habit of doing this, just look at Boogaard's contract, and the Rangers have Bazillions more dollars than the Sens.

Chicago is another team with deep pockets, in spite of Campbell's outlandish salary, and they are the New Stanley Cup Champs.

Only lowly Buffalo comes in like the Sens with a franchise that is not wealthy in terms of revenue. Sens and Sabres don't have dough to play this game.

[30ranfordfan]

I'm trying to figure out where the stats are coming from. I assume you meant 43.4 assists, not points, per year? Which means he's averaging 67.8 points, per season, since he's been in the NHL.

While this is technically correct - how can you suggest that the 7 goals / 21 points he had in 33 games back in 2002-03 are in any way relevant? He played less than a third of the season.

Drop it out, and now he's averaging 27.3 goals, and 48.3 assists per season - Just a hair over 75 points per season.

And even many of those seasons are objective. Only 57 points last year, but he also only played 60 games. Maybe a little injury prone? Half of his 6 full NHL seasons he played in less than 70 games. Has to be a concern.

When evaluating Jason Spezza - also take a look at these numbers. 464 Games Played, 475 Points. Yes - he's averaging over 1 point per game. In fact - at 1.02 points per game that makes his current career numbers about as poor as Darryl Sittler. He's also well ahead such overrated players as Doug Gilmour, Luc Robitaille, Dino Ciccarelli, Glen Anderson, and Steve Larmer.

Look - I'm not saying that Jason Spezza is necessarily worth what he's being paid.... but by any honest measurement - he's EASILY among the top 10 most offensive gifted centres in the league. That might even be selling him short. Since the lockout, he's finished 14th, 15th, 8th, 28th, and 64th in league scoring. While I'll give you that 64th was pretty bad - he only played 60 games. If he's been reasonably healthy... and played in 75.... that would have translated to 71 points, and moved him back into a respectable 23rd.


And if you're trying to figure out who's actually got the worst contract in the NHL..... go to google, and type in 'SHAWN HORCOFF'. Love the player, hate the contract.

[cnshockey]

He's also well ahead such overrated players as Doug Gilmour, Luc Robitaille, Dino Ciccarelli, Glen Anderson, and Steve Larmer.

You're seriously kidding, right? Overrated? Did you ever watch Luc? Cmon Sean....

[centrehice]

Luc is the greatest scoring Left Winger in NHL History, Dino is the mini version of Holmstrom, but with 608 goals.

I laugh at this poster that says Gilmour, Luc and Dino are overrated. I laugh out loud.

The whole argument with Spezza is that no other team will touch him at that price, with that horrendous contract. Not now, not ever, probably never. Murray couldn't organise a two-car parade.

[mr ozzie]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Spezza, Alfredsson, and Heatley were signed to big deal contracts during the year of their Cup Final run or just right after it were they not?

[mr ozzie]

Also, are you sure Gonchar signed for 2.5mil? It's 5.5mil. I definitely agree though, that is too much money for too long of a term who's 36yrs old with a no-trade clause to boot.

[30ranfordfan]

I'll try and be a little obvious with the sarcasim next time :)

Of course I don't beleive Luc was overrated (or anyone else on that list).

I simply looked at a list of the all time leaders in Points-Per-Game, and listed off a number of fowards who rank below Jason Spezza.

You're seriously kidding, right? Overrated? Did you ever watch Luc? Cmon Sean....

[30ranfordfan]

And just like I did for Andy, I'll point out the sarcasm (I figured a line like career numbers about as poor as Darryl Sittler would make it fairly obvious).

Since the Lockout (that's 5 seasons now) there are very few players that have put up numbers with the consistency of Jason Spezza. Nobody will trade for him? Well, considering he's got a No Trade Claus.... I'd expect you're correct. Nobody CAN trade for him, without his approval.

Anyone that would make a post as ridiculous as the first one - saying that Spezza's contract is the worst in the NHL and that Bryan Murray should be fired for it - either clearly has no idea what they're talking about, or is writing the post because they either have some person bias against any or all of Spezza, Murray, or the Sens.

I am a fan of none, but it drives me crazy when I see number manipulated as badly at they were in the first post, just to prove a point that isn't even close to true.

Luc is the greatest scoring Left Winger in NHL History, Dino is the mini version of Holmstrom, but with 608 goals.

I laugh at this poster that says Gilmour, Luc and Dino are overrated. I laugh out loud.

The whole argument with Spezza is that no other team will touch him at that price, with that horrendous contract. Not now, not ever, probably never. Murray couldn't organise a two-car parade.