Some help

[bearfield]

I have no doubt that some of the scoreboard buy-back autos were faked - but some were inserted into packs. Here is the evidence:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Scoreboard-...item255d8cf485

Firstly, there are Topps, Upper Deck cards that were inserted in packs (I bought some packs that had a crappy Topps card of Jeff George in it I think) and the box clearly shows non-scoreboard cards available (just like tristar treasures today include topps, upper deck, playoff cards in their boxes). The box also clearlys states in the yellow circle near the bottom "Plus look for autographed vintage cards".

So again, I have no doubt there were forgeries, but scoreboard did insert some of these "buy-back" autos in boxes.

i will repeat what i said, the scoreboard buyback autographs of other companys are forgerys. for those of you that don't believe me, call topps, upper deck, and panini/donruss and ask them what kind of lawsuit they would do if that happened. i just can't believe that supposedly intelligent collectors fell for that scam.

[OZTATAR]

i will repeat what i said, the scoreboard buyback autographs of other companys are forgerys. for those of you that don't believe me, call topps, upper deck, and panini/donruss and ask them what kind of lawsuit they would do if that happened. i just can't believe that supposedly intelligent collectors fell for that scam.

You can repeat it all you want, that doesn't make it necessarily true. Scoreboard couldn't use the Upper Deck, Topps names in their advertising, but they could include it in packs. There is a big difference. There is a legal difference between inserting cards in packs and using a companies name - by using a companies name you are suggesting the company is somehow involved in the product. Notice how in the link I previously showed (did you even look at it - it clearly shows non-scoreboard cards) there is no mention of Topps, Upper Deck etc. How do you think people like tristar make their hidden treasurespacks like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-Tristar-Hidde...item4aa83c0f5c

[bearfield]

You can repeat it all you want, that doesn't make it necessarily true. Scoreboard couldn't use the Upper Deck, Topps names in their advertising, but they could include it in packs. There is a big difference. There is a legal difference between inserting cards in packs and using a companies name - by using a companies name you are suggesting the company is somehow involved in the product. Notice how in the link I previously showed (did you even look at it - it clearly shows non-scoreboard cards) there is no mention of Topps, Upper Deck etc. How do you think people like tristar make their hidden treasurespacks like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-Tristar-Hidde...item4aa83c0f5c

regardless of what you think and say, the scoreboard buybacks of other companys are forgerys.

[OZTATAR]

regardless of what you think and say, the scoreboard buybacks of other companys are forgerys.

If you think that is the case, that is fine. However, given what you have said, it appears to be based on flawed reasoning.

[bearfield]

If you think that is the case, that is fine. However, given what you have said, it appears to be based on flawed reasoning.

flawed reasoning, think again, i've been collecting autographs since 91, and the size of my collection, well over 5,000 certified autographs says i know a lot more about autographs than you.

[OZTATAR]

flawed reasoning, think again, i've been collecting autographs since 91, and the size of my collection, well over 5,000 certified autographs says i know a lot more about autographs than you.

Really? On what are you basing this outstanding logic? Just because you have been in a plane 5,000 times doesn't mean you can fly a plane. Same with this - just because you have a lot of autographs doesn't make you an expert on what companies can do with other companies products. I'm a lawyer, so I know what score board could and couldn't do with other companies cards - they could insert them in packs, they just couldn't use their name to advertise the product, though they may have needed to have been a licensed reseller, though not by Upper Deck, Topps etc. It's funny how you haven't said anything about the links I provided you showing cards produced by one company being sold by another, isn't it?

Regardless, you also seem to forget that not all of the buy-back cards were from other companies - some were from score board/classic.

I have seen Favre scoreboard "buy-back" autos that are clearly fake, that is true. However I have seen some that are genuine, because the auto is spot on for other Favre certified autos from the same time.

[OZTATAR]

flawed reasoning, think again, i've been collecting autographs since 91, and the size of my collection, well over 5,000 certified autographs says i know a lot more about autographs than you.

You may want to watch this video:



In it the collector clearly pulls a acific and score card from scoreboard packs. See? Scoreboard did insert cards from other companies in their product. You were wrong weren't you?

He also pulls a Roger Staubach auto, but because it is on a Classic Proline card you can't be sure if it is a "buy-back" auto, or just an autograph card leftover from Classic Proline.

Or maybe this thread, same deal:
https://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1169977

[bearfield]

You may want to watch this video:



In it the collector clearly pulls a acific and score card from scoreboard packs. See? Scoreboard did insert cards from other companies in their product. You were wrong weren't you?

He also pulls a Roger Staubach auto, but because it is on a Classic Proline card you can't be sure if it is a "buy-back" auto, or just an autograph card leftover from Classic Proline.

Or maybe this thread, same deal:
https://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1169977

sorry g'buddy, the staubach was a pro line autograph which was bought by scoreboard, you can tell by the back of the card, (no card number)not a buy back. you are allowed to use autos from a company you own, aren't you. LIKE I SAID, I KNOW AUTOGRAPHS AND THE COMPANYS THAT PRODUCE THEM, AND I DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FLY TO KNOW FORGERYS. i don't live thousands of miles away, and us collectors used to have a very extensive network about autos. seau is also a pro line. duh
you don't wanna argue autos with me, i suggest you stay on the porch, little buddy.

[OZTATAR]

Wow, I know that I have won the argument when you have to resort to using large letters. I should expect that from someone with an IQ in the low double "digets".

As the video shows, There are clearly cards that are not from scoreboard. Isn't there? So what you seem to be saying is that Scoreboard could include cards from other companies in their packets, but they couldn't get them autographed and included in the packets. Is that right? If not, why not? As I said, the video clearly shows cards from other companies in their product, so why are they only allowed to include non-autographed cards, but not autographed cards? Show the legislation that allowed Scoreboard to include non-autographed cards from other companies in their products, but not autographed ones. If you can't, then you are clearly wrong. You see, I know the law. You don't want to argue the law with me.

As for the Staubach, as I said it may or may not be a "buy-back" card or a left over. We don't know. However, again using your logic, it seems there might be "buy-back" autos from Scoreboard, so long as they are from their own products - and some of the "buy-back" autos are clearly from Scoreboard/classic, like some Favre ones. Given that Favre signed for 1997 Proline and 1997 Score Board Playbook, it seems logical that Favre could have signed other "buy-back" cards for Scoreboard too - and this seems to be the case because his autos on these look similar to other autos from aroundd 1997. Again, just because you have autographs, doesn't mean you know the law around including autographs in products or what every company did.

As for the use of "us collectors", from what I have seen on this board, very few would like to be lumped into the same group as you. I used to wonder why. Now I know.

Because you like using big letters, I will use them:

WHY DON'T YOU TRY AND INCREASE YOUR IQ ABOVE LOW DOUBLE "DIGETS" AND LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE LAW "G'BUDDY" INSTEAD OF PLAYING YOUR BANJO ON THE PORCH?

sorry g'buddy, the staubach was a pro line autograph which was bought by scoreboard, you can tell by the back of the card, (no card number)not a buy back. you are allowed to use autos from a company you own, aren't you. LIKE I SAID, I KNOW AUTOGRAPHS AND THE COMPANYS THAT PRODUCE THEM, AND I DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FLY TO KNOW FORGERYS. i don't live thousands of miles away, and us collectors used to have a very extensive network about autos. seau is also a pro line. duh
you don't wanna argue autos with me, i suggest you stay on the porch, little buddy.

[bearfield]

wow, i know that i have won the argument when you have to resort to using large letters. I should expect that from someone with an iq in the low double "digets".

As the video shows, there are clearly cards that are not from scoreboard. Isn't there? So what you seem to be saying is that scoreboard could include cards from other companies in their packets, but they couldn't get them autographed and included in the packets. Is that right? If not, why not? As i said, the video clearly shows cards from other companies in their product, so why are they only allowed to include non-autographed cards, but not autographed cards? show the legislation that allowed scoreboard to include non-autographed cards from other companies in their products, but not autographed ones. if you can't, then you are clearly wrong. You see, i know the law. You don't want to argue the law with me.

As for the staubach, as i said it may or may not be a "buy-back" card or a left over. We don't know. However, again using your logic, it seems there might be "buy-back" autos from scoreboard, so long as they are from their own products - and some of the "buy-back" autos are clearly from scoreboard/classic, like some favre ones. Given that favre signed for 1997 proline and 1997 score board playbook, it seems logical that favre could have signed other "buy-back" cards for scoreboard too - and this seems to be the case because his autos on these look similar to other autos from aroundd 1997. Again, just because you have autographs, doesn't mean you know the law around including autographs in products or what every company did.

As for the use of "us collectors", from what i have seen on this board, very few would like to be lumped into the same group as you. I used to wonder why. Now i know.

Because you like using big letters, i will use them:

why don't you try and increase your iq above low double "digets" and learn something about the law "g'buddy" instead of playing your banjo on the porch?

there are no autographed cards that are not scoreboard owned.
Example--if they put in a upper deck autographed card, that puts the onus on upper deck, thats why it can't be and wasn't done.
It just reeks of lawsuit. You don't have a clue, and don't know much. Easy way to find out---call upper deck, topps, or panini and ask them, and then, get yourself back on that porch,g,buddy.

AS FOR THE STAUBACH, I KNOW BY SEEING THE BACK OF THE CARD, THAT IS IS A PRO LINE, NOT A SCOREBOARD, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T. SHOWS YOUR REAL LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.