The bible - fact or fiction???

[habsheaven]

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

1.When he says he is not a Athiest, who don't believe in the existence of a Higher Power, then what is he?

2. Admitting that "someone must have written these books" to me seems like he is saying a higher being wrote the books, but we have no understanding of it.

3. So we can barely understand the laws, which means someone had to write them, right?

No, it means he doesn't know what to believe. I see it as a timeline. The kid is plopped down on a timeline. He sees everything around him and knows something came before him, but he doesn't know where he is on the timeline or how he got there. The writer of the books could be an inch away on that timeline that stretches for a mile.

[karnivore]

No, it means he doesn't know what to believe. I see it as a timeline. The kid is plopped down on a timeline. He sees everything around him and knows something came before him, but he doesn't know where he is on the timeline or how he got there. The writer of the books could be an inch away on that timeline that stretches for a mile.

I can see how you got your reasoning, but but don't understand the last sentence. The writer of the books is not a higher power? Confused a little haha.

But the way I see it. Mr. Albert says that there is a higher power that our minds can possibly not wrap around, but since the higher power lets violence and corruption ensue (which also brings compassion into the world) he see him as a God who has no say so on the world.

[habsheaven]

It depends on which religion you would want to base it on, seeing as you don't believe in any (Not a insult, just seeing it as your saying your an Athiest)

Others believe in the reincarnation, but since you don't believe you might be something not worthy and be a bug or something? (Not too known in reincarnation)

But for my personal beliefs, if you don't believe Jesus died and rose again, for the most part most of the people will go to Hell. But it says in the Bible God judges accordingly, so who knows exactly the guidelines for non-believers?

I am not saying I am an Atheist. My position is this. I do not believe in religion. I am pretty sure that is much different from the definition of an Athiest. But based on your beliefs, I still have a chance of entering the pearly gates :)

[Star_Cards]

How can science prove how the ACL was concieved? You mean to tell me that through evolution from a single celled organism that pieces of our body was intricately weaved to form it?

Can science explain Ethical Beliefs?

Even one of the most well known scientists even believe in a higher being

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

Dudes name is Albert Einstein. Alot of other well-known scientists also believed in a higher being (Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, etc) If most of the leading people in your field believes someone started all of this, and every time you try to prove its fake and fail, why not try to help see why it is real?

Everyone has their beliefs, but if for roughly the last couple hundreds years that people have tried to disprove Christianity, and still haven't, you dont see this as a basis that it could actually be real?

Just because people don't know exactly everything about the world, solar system, and universe hardly means that christianity has been proven. No one tries to disprove christianity. I don't follow it but I know for a fact that christianity is real. I don't however think that a creator made everything. Explaining unexplainable events and/or things by saying "God did it." is hardly proof in my book.

[habsheaven]

No, you have to accept Him. Only way........"I am the way, the Truth, and the Light. No one enters the kingdom except through Me.
Judging by you comments throughout this entire thread, you have not accepted. It is a matter between you and God. We are just here to "plant the seed" as it were.

But of course there are exceptions. Surely, a child that dies in the first few minutes or hours of life is going to Heaven. God would not subject such an innocent soul to damnation would He? How about the isolated tribal elder who has spent his entire life without a knowledge of Jesus? Surely, God would not condemn him?

[Star_Cards]

It depends on which religion you would want to base it on, seeing as you don't believe in any (Not a insult, just seeing it as your saying your an Athiest)

Others believe in the reincarnation, but since you don't believe you might be something not worthy and be a bug or something? (Not too known in reincarnation)

But for my personal beliefs, if you don't believe Jesus died and rose again, for the most part most of the people will go to Hell. But it says in the Bible God judges accordingly, so who knows exactly the guidelines for non-believers?

by your beliefs, does a murderer that finds god in prison have a better chance to go to heaven than me, who lives my life as a productive member of society, but does not believe?

[Star_Cards]

Really? Then you need to read alittle further on...

read what further? gators posts or your post that said he was angry and ignorant? You typically just say read this and read that in posts. I need more info to figure out what you want me to see that you think I'm overlooking.

[habsheaven]

I can see how you got your reasoning, but but don't understand the last sentence. The writer of the books is not a higher power? Confused a little haha.

Of course the writer of the books is a higher power than the child, but is he the highest power?

But the way I see it. Mr. Albert says that there is a higher power that our minds can possibly not wrap around, but since the higher power lets violence and corruption ensue (which also brings compassion into the world) he see him as a God who has no say so on the world.

Where are you seeing this in the quotation you posted? I see nothing of that nature in his words.

[Star_Cards]

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

1.When he says he is not a Athiest, who don't believe in the existence of a Higher Power, then what is he?

2. Admitting that "someone must have written these books" to me seems like he is saying a higher being wrote the books, but we have no understanding of it.

3. So we can barely understand the laws, which means someone had to write them, right?

I think he's saying that he admits to not knowing for sure. I read it as he knows he's very intelligent but isn't narrow minded enough to think that he knows one way or the other. Saying "someone must have written these books" doesn't make me leap to the thought that he must have though someone not human must have written it. No one has ever said that no one wrote "the laws". The laws exist on paper for all to see so obviously they exist.

[Star_Cards]

Okay, well you weren't very clear in your answer. Looked like there was a glimmer of hope, a "stay of execution" if you will. So if I do not accept Jesus in my heart, I am definitely going to HE double hockey sticks.

good thing you like hockey. I guess I should start watching.