The bible - fact or fiction???

[Star_Cards]

I'm saying it cannot be proven one way or the other, so neither assumption is more logical than the other.

I hear you but being on the side that he exists doesn't seem to be as logical in my opinion.

[Star_Cards]

Well, answer my last question - what would evidence of God involve?

For me I'm not sure. I just know that every so called evidence that I've heard from believers equates to magic. Take the different races, no matter what is said to support when and where different races were created all a believer has to say is "God scattered them around and changed their looks and languages because he was mad at them." If one side is arguing logically and the other side can just say "God did it" it's hardly an argument being played on the same playing field.

[pantherfan82]

Here is another question that I want to post for our christian bretheren out there but anyone with an opinion is welcome to give it. In the book of leviticus homosexuality is prohibited and that is what a lot of christians go by. I am ok with that but levicitus also clearly gives a list of dietary restrictions including bans on eating pork, certian seafoods and birds. Also Genesis 1:29 implies that God wants us to go on a vegetarian diet. "And God said , Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." However a lot of Christians choose to ignore that part. My question is why do people pick and choose certian parts of the bible to go by and ignore the rest? Please don't take this as a knock on christians or anyone else I'm just trying to get thoughts and imput.

I have noticed that a lot. Depending on what people need rhe bible to say at q certain time some parts are said to be literal and others figurative. Seems odd to me

[Theodor Madison]

I agree, no one knows when the time is to comes. Stand prepared. To man all things will be revealed. We may not understand all things weather they are fact or false. Perhaps the answers are beyond our scientific intelligence, or spiritual relation with God.

Boy does the horror they experienced in Tuscaloosa and Pleasant Grove, AL today remind me of that. Those people need prayers in a major way.

[pantherfan82]

For me I'm not sure. I just know that every so called evidence that I've heard from believers equates to magic. Take the different races, no matter what is said to support when and where different races were created all a believer has to say is "God scattered them around and changed their looks and languages because he was mad at them." If one side is arguing logically and the other side can just say "God did it" it's hardly an argument being played on the same playing field.

Debating the bible with a christian is almost Pointless at times. I've got a friend that anything positive then god did that. Anything negative then that's the devil. I just laugh.

[Star_Cards]

You keep saying that but I would like to know what you mean by it... I asked earlier but I am sure that post is buried by now....

yeah, missed it.

There are a lot of people that want to make law by using their personal religious moral compass... (i.e. abortion, gay marriage, and so on) For me, in a country that allows freedom of religion, I don't see how any one religious group can feel that it's right to force everyone to live by any one religious code. I get that people' faith can be a big part of their lives, but I would think that these people would be open minded enough to know that their way of living isn't the only way. By legislating by one's religion forces everyone else to follow that code as well, but not everyone believes what the majority religion in this country believes.

And before anyone jumps in, I am speaking about personal choice type of laws, not things that deal with violating other people's rights being legal or not.

[Star_Cards]

Here is another question that I want to post for our christian bretheren out there but anyone with an opinion is welcome to give it. In the book of leviticus homosexuality is prohibited and that is what a lot of christians go by. I am ok with that but levicitus also clearly gives a list of dietary restrictions including bans on eating pork, certian seafoods and birds. Also Genesis 1:29 implies that God wants us to go on a vegetarian diet. "And God said , Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." However a lot of Christians choose to ignore that part. My question is why do people pick and choose certian parts of the bible to go by and ignore the rest? Please don't take this as a knock on christians or anyone else I'm just trying to get thoughts and imput.

This is another major issue I have about religion. Believers want to say that their book is the way it should be 100% (no matter which religion) and yet over time they seem to pick and choose what they want to believe and follow. In this case specifically I see it as they are grossed out by homosexuals so they say god is against it and yet they like the taste of pork so they hide that rule against it away. I see it as a cop out. For these people it's easier to judge something like homosexuality as wrong because they have no attraction to it personally, but yet they don't have the strength themselves to not do something the bible says not to do because they like it.

I also find it ironic when you hear guys that are against homosexuality because it's in the bible saying it's wrong and yet they don't seem to mind it as much if it's two girls.

[karnivore]

What a ludicrous oversimplification. That might have been their problem, but you apparently ignored everything I had to say on the subject. Nice use of air-quotes there too; nice No True Scotsman fallacy. I explained my views on the subject not just because of some mad, defensive reactions I got from random Christians off the street, but also because that's what supposedly reputable and enlightened Christian organizations use in their official literature and propaganda. In other words, the things I quoted them as saying is not just the defensive sputterings of people caught off guard, it's official doctrine that is being reproduced and propagated by well-financed individuals with a vast audience and a shady agenda. And for you to attempt to dismiss that in such a way indicates that you're either unaware of what your co-religionists are doing, or you do know and you're playing coverup for them.



Hah, I needed a good laugh. Never been anything about the Bible debunked? Hilarious. It's not my fault if you can't admit your Bible isn't 100% accurate and literal. And if you can't admit that, there's really nothing else to say.

And I've already explained why I don't believe in your god. You obviously didn't read my explanation. So I'm not going to bother taking the time to elaborate if you're not going to bother to take the time to listen.

I have never in my life heard "Doctrine" to tell people to have non-believers disprove God. I would love to know these actual documents, but like someone pointed out you have to come up with them. And no, internet sites won't cut it since your generalizing it as actual Doctrine.

And like I said, for you to "laugh" give EXAMPLES of whats been debunked and we can talk.

The things about "Can you prove there's no god" and "atheists have faith there's no god."



That, and pretty much all of Genesis, as well as assorted things throughout the document. I'm pretty sure a complete index of all the "scientific" claims the Bible makes which have been debunked wouldn't be hard to find.

Again, never heard of materials talk about that. Please share.

If its so easy to find, how come your telling us we have to look it up? Since your on the side of telling us its fiction, why can't you do your due diligence and come to a debate prepared? We sholdn't have to come and debate for both sides.

So little do we know about the bible. Whether we believe it to be fact or fiction. of god or Should not, the question, Why do we exist be asked?, before we denounce anything. What is exactly the purpose of man.

Who are we to question anything? If we tend to know all the answers why ask questions. If we tend to think, all we are in the universe is a speck, That's all we are.

We know alot about the Bible. The Bible talks about ancient tribes many thought were not real, but was found exactly as the Bible talked about. Non-Christian historians document facts about the Bible as well, well known Flavius Josephus and Tactius. The only things that we can't prove are the Miracles. Hence the reason why people can't believe in it.

Here is another question that I want to post for our christian bretheren out there but anyone with an opinion is welcome to give it. In the book of leviticus homosexuality is prohibited and that is what a lot of christians go by. I am ok with that but levicitus also clearly gives a list of dietary restrictions including bans on eating pork, certian seafoods and birds. Also Genesis 1:29 implies that God wants us to go on a vegetarian diet. "And God said , Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." However a lot of Christians choose to ignore that part. My question is why do people pick and choose certian parts of the bible to go by and ignore the rest? Please don't take this as a knock on christians or anyone else I'm just trying to get thoughts and imput.

Heres a paragraph that I have found about that when I have looked up this before:

"Christ came to fulfill the law but not all of the law is obsolete. Wherever the Bible shows in the New testament that something is fulfilled then that part of the Old Testament is not binding for Christians. Example; Jesus was the lamb of God who took away the sins of the world fulfills the need for a blood sacrifice to atone for sins. No more blood sacrifices are needed. Marriage will be done away in heaven but until then what the law and the New Testament says about marriage is still binding. Another example: all foods were declared clean to Peter by the Lord as well as in the book of Hebrews so the old Testament dietary laws are not binding but they could be optional. Stoning people under the law may still be technically valid but Jesus said "let he who is without sin throw the first stone" in that situation. Mercy is more emphasized in the New Testament because of the severity of Hell and the last judgment which is now clearly revealed to us."


So basically most of the Old Testament laws have been fulfilled, but not all. So once Peter said all food is clean, that takes away alot of those dietry restrictions. Theres never been scripture that says homosexuality is not a sin, so thats why people go by that one still.

I personally have issues about the Leviticus 19:28, but Ill save that for later if anyone wants to discuss it.

For me I'm not sure. I just know that every so called evidence that I've heard from believers equates to magic. Take the different races, no matter what is said to support when and where different races were created all a believer has to say is "God scattered them around and changed their looks and languages because he was mad at them." If one side is arguing logically and the other side can just say "God did it" it's hardly an argument being played on the same playing field.

I don't think it was as much to do as mad, it was more about he made peoples race actually go with their area of living, if you understand it. Its why black people started in Africa, because of the climate conditions white people wouldn't have been well there. He just made people adept to their surroundings.

[Star_Cards]

Debating the bible with a christian is almost Pointless at times. I've got a friend that anything positive then god did that. Anything negative then that's the devil. I just laugh.

I hear you! I guess at that point you don't even bother discussing that topic with them.

[Star_Cards]

I don't think it was as much to do as mad, it was more about he made peoples race actually go with their area of living, if you understand it. Its why black people started in Africa, because of the climate conditions white people wouldn't have been well there. He just made people adept to their surroundings.

so you are saying that their races were already different by the time god moved the people around? From what I got from the post by AUTaxMan, God changed their languages and I assumed race as well so that they wouldn't just stay living in one area.