The bible - fact or fiction???

[karnivore]

Debating the bible with a christian is almost Pointless at times. I've got a friend that anything positive then god did that. Anything negative then that's the devil. I just laugh.

Dont judge us all because of your one friend. Thats like saying all Panthers fans are dumb because one thought Jimmy Clausen was their franchise QB :P

I hear you! I guess at that point you don't even bother discussing that topic with them.

Like we talked about before, the loudest "Christians" are the ones with the most skeletons in their closet, or just uneducated. Not saying I have all the answers, but if I believe something atleast Im gonna research it.

so you are saying that their races were already different by the time god moved the people around? From what I got from the post by AUTaxMan, God changed their languages and I assumed race as well so that they wouldn't just stay living in one area.

Im saying once they moved to their region their skin adapted to their enviroment. So yes, it changed with their languages.

[Star_Cards]

Im saying once they moved to their region their skin adapted to their enviroment. So yes, it changed with their languages.

Hmm... sounds like a bit of an evolution. :)

[mrveggieman]

Speaking of everyone's favorite book in the bible Leviticus here's another question that I have.
In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Again I understand exactly what it is saying and have no problem with it. The verse deals with a form of sexual immorality (homosexuality). My question is why do people pound homosexuality as wrong into the ground but barely mention other forms of sexual immorality such as adultrey or having sex out of wedlock. Also why do some preachers act like homosexuality is worse than child rape or murder? I mean c'mon now. Yes it is a sin but I would think that raping a child would be worse than having consensual sex with another adult.

[karnivore]

Hmm... sounds like a bit of an evolution. :)

I dont see the correlation at all. One was languages and color of skin. The other is from a single cell organism to our design of our body. I honestly dont see it. If you go to other nations, and stay there for awhile youll pick up on accents/languaes, and depending on where your at your skin may change in tone. I dont see how its equal at all.

[karnivore]

Speaking of everyone's favorite book in the bible Leviticus here's another question that I have.
In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Again I understand exactly what it is saying and have no problem with it. The verse deals with a form of sexual immorality (homosexuality). My question is why do people pound homosexuality as wrong into the ground but barely mention other forms of sexual immorality such as adultrey or having sex out of wedlock. Also why do some preachers act like homosexuality is worse than child rape or murder? I mean c'mon now. Yes it is a sin but I would think that raping a child would be worse than having consensual sex with another adult.

Your going into the human part of this all, when this should be about the Bible. People take things out of context in the Bible to fit their beliefs, when it should be the other way around. All sin is sin, and its all bad. Some are worse then others yes.

[Star_Cards]

Speaking of everyone's favorite book in the bible Leviticus here's another question that I have.
In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Again I understand exactly what it is saying and have no problem with it. The verse deals with a form of sexual immorality (homosexuality). My question is why do people pound homosexuality as wrong into the ground but barely mention other forms of sexual immorality such as adultrey or having sex out of wedlock. Also why do some preachers act like homosexuality is worse than child rape or murder? I mean c'mon now. Yes it is a sin but I would think that raping a child would be worse than having consensual sex with another adult.

My opinion on it is because the majority of people against homosexuality will preach against it because they have no attraction towards it. When it's something they want to do that is when you don't hear much about it. That's not to say that people are against it within the christian faith... or any faith for that matter. Plus you hear more about homosexuality because there are laws banning the marriage against it. The laws against adultery are rarely enforced and there is no law against pre marital sex.

I agree with you on the topic of I would think child rape or any rape for that matter is worse than being a homosexual. I'd guess that more people no matter their faith feel that way.

As for you understand exactly what "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." means. Seems like it could be open to a few different points of interpretation to me.

[karnivore]

My opinion on it is because the majority of people against homosexuality will preach against it because they have no attraction towards it. When it's something they want to do that is when you don't hear much about it. That's not to say that people are against it within the christian faith... or any faith for that matter. Plus you hear more about homosexuality because there are laws banning the marriage against it. The laws against adultery are rarely enforced and there is no law against pre marital sex.

I agree with you on the topic of I would think child rape or any rape for that matter is worse than being a homosexual. I'd guess that more people no matter their faith feel that way.

As for you understand exactly what "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." means. Seems like it could be open to a few different points of interpretation to me.

Your first post is spot on. Can agree with fully. Its why most Christians don't actually like to read about/ do research about their religion to be honest. If they do, they'll realize they live a life not how they are suppose, but they don't want to change.

They do/should.

Personally, I don't read KJV. So someone else can go into that one. My version says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

[Star_Cards]

I dont see the correlation at all. One was languages and color of skin. The other is from a single cell organism to our design of our body. I honestly dont see it. If you go to other nations, and stay there for awhile youll pick up on accents/languaes, and depending on where your at your skin may change in tone. I dont see how its equal at all.

sure it's not an instant jump from single celled evolution to man, but it is a show of a fairly extensive evolution between the races due to areas of the world in which they lived. It's not just skin color and languages. The different races have many more differences than just that. There are different facial features, body types/sizes, and more. My point is simply even if you believe that god placed all of these people that descended from the same mother and father around the world in different climates, they ended up looking very different by the different places they lived over time. Not just had darker or lighter skin due to the area in which he placed them. Although I guess if you want to say that god also changes their looks as he "moved" these people around I have no defense to that.

[karnivore]

sure it's not an instant jump from single celled evolution to man, but it is a show of a fairly extensive evolution between the races due to areas of the world in which they lived. It's not just skin color but facial features, size differences, and any other differences each race has from the other. My point is simply even if you believe that god placed all of these people that descended from the same mother and father they ended up looking very different by the different places they lived over time.

So your not comparing it to the Evolution theories, just that over time people can change somewhat depending on where they live? I can agree to that.

[Star_Cards]

So your not comparing it to the Evolution theories, just that over time people can change somewhat depending on where they live? I can agree to that.

"change somewhat depending on where they live" = evolution.

and if man can evolve in these ways in such a short period of time (with the earth being billions of years old) I think it's plausible to think man as we know it today evolved much more drastically over these billions of years.