The bible - fact or fiction???

[mrveggieman]

Another problem I have with religious people, not just christians but anyone who claims a particular religion is that a lot of them spend all of their time trying to prove how the next man's religion is wrong and that they are going to hell instead of doing something positive to improve their community, help their brothers and sisters and to glofiry God. Sad to say religion is starting to mirror politics. Alot of lip service but no actions.

[gatorboymike]

Only further demonstrating that no creationist understands what evolution is or how it works. And that's by their own choice, to remain willfully ignorant.

And as for Jesus not existing, the character depicted in the gospels almost certainly did not exist. He was probably loosely based on a real person, probably an amalgamation of several real people (since first-century Palestine was bristling with self-proclaimed messiahs), but the miracle worker with supernatural powers, who was sent by a supernatural being and/or was a supernatural being himself? Highly unlikely.

And oh yes, this god that would reward a murderer who believes with an eternity of bliss but punish a righteous nonbeliever with an eternity of torture, because its only criteria for judgment is whether or not they were in the mood to praise and worship it at the exact moment of their death? Heck of a god you got there, buddy. And if that's your role model, I don't think very highly of that.

[theonedru]

The thing that irks me about a lot of my Christian brothers and sisters is that many are condemning and judging people. There's a lack of humility and love on what they preach. You can speak the truth without condemning people. Is it hard to do that? Heck yea! But the qualms I have with people who stand out on the corner with a sign that says you're all going to hell are not loving Christians, and they leave a bad rap for a lot of Christians by doing that.

There are so few true Christians left in this world that they are nearly non existent. Yes there are billions that claim they are but they live and act their lives in stark contrast to their claims. I know of many non-Christians that enact more Judea-christian values in their lives than most of today's believers. I also see alot of Idol worshiping in Christianity which is supposed to be a no no whether it be praying to saints and Jesus, the use of crosses, the false images of Jesus spattered everywhere. And lets not even start with the hatred and discrimination that alot of them express.

We forget the basic tenants of teachings that basically say love, honor and respect your fellow man and your world around you but most everyone has forgotten that.

[Star_Cards]

It's probably one of the hardest things to overcome in terms of believing, justifying why a wicked, immoral person who places in faith in Jesus moments before he dies compared to a loving and just person who never professes his faith. I will say this is false though

"I guess as long as you believe and are truly sorry after every immoral act you're good to get into heaven."

Placing your faith in Christ does not allow you to blot out every sinful act you have done. Your heart must change once you profess your faith and if your faith is real, you will seek to have a life that is like Jesus. if you continue to sin and just say, "well I'll confess and I am good to go," that is unacceptable and would not be worthy of a life of Christ. God is not fine with that and is the only one who can judge the heart of each person who confesses their life to Him.

according to what sanfran said... or at least how I read it that's how it works.

[Star_Cards]

Another problem I have with religious people, not just christians but anyone who claims a particular religion is that a lot of them spend all of their time trying to prove how the next man's religion is wrong and that they are going to hell instead of doing something positive to improve their community, help their brothers and sisters and to glofiry God. Sad to say religion is starting to mirror politics. Alot of lip service but no actions.

Not all christians or religious people do this. Some do but I'd say the majority don't have issue with other religions. They may not agree with it and debate those issues where they differ, but that's what we are doing here and I don't have issue with that.

[Wudeverbro]

There are so few true Christians left in this world that they are nearly non existent. Yes there are billions that claim they are but they live and act their lives in stark contrast to their claims. I know of many non-Christians that enact more Judea-christian values in their lives than most of today's believers. I also see alot of Idol worshiping in Christianity which is supposed to be a no no whether it be praying to saints and Jesus, the use of crosses, the false images of Jesus spattered everywhere. And lets not even start with the hatred and discrimination that alot of them express.

We forget the basic tenants of teachings that basically say love, honor and respect your fellow man and your world around you but most everyone has forgotten that.

Scary to consider but you could be right. I know I spend too much time here with cards when I should be reading my Bible more. No one said accepting Him was easy but we still push on and try to be the best witnesses we can.

[Star_Cards]

And oh yes, this god that would reward a murderer who believes with an eternity of bliss but punish a righteous nonbeliever with an eternity of torture, because its only criteria for judgment is whether or not they were in the mood to praise and worship it at the exact moment of their death? Heck of a god you got there, buddy. And if that's your role model, I don't think very highly of that.

exactly.

[Wudeverbro]

according to what sanfran said... or at least how I read it that's how it works.

Yeah, it's basically just semantics and splitting hairs but just confessing your sins does not necessarily get you into heaven. The heart is what God judges and there's no fooling Him.

[gatorboymike]

"True Christian" is a meaningless term. Every Christian thinks they are the true one and everyone who isn't exactly like them is the false one. And most of the time when people use that term, what they mean is "someone who is in absolute, complete and total agreement with all of my political views." Well, Bobby goes to church every week, reads his Bible, and has a Jesus fish decal on his SUV, but he has position X on political issue Y, and I have position Z on political issue Y. Bobby is obviously a FALSE CHRISTIAN!

Meanwhile, to nonparticipants in this orgy of exclusionism like me, all I see is a bunch of people standing in a circle, all pointing fingers and hurling accusations at one another, and it's just further evidence that none of them are actually in possession of the supernatural wisdom and goodness that they claim to be the sole possessors of.

[Wudeverbro]

Only further demonstrating that no creationist understands what evolution is or how it works. And that's by their own choice, to remain willfully ignorant.

And oh yes, this god that would reward a murderer who believes with an eternity of bliss but punish a righteous nonbeliever with an eternity of torture, because its only criteria for judgment is whether or not they were in the mood to praise and worship it at the exact moment of their death? Heck of a god you got there, buddy. And if that's your role model, I don't think very highly of that.

I don't think it's about being willfully ignorant but it's just that most Christians don't believe in what evolution is. Personally, I believe in a lot of it, just not the very early parts of evolution.

just because you do not believe in Christ, does not mean you are willfully ignorant of Christ. it just means you don't believe in Him.