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04-23-2011, 05:04 AM #61
Frankly that's not ITG's problems. I know they will go low on ebay, and the right rookies will go much higher, BUT, that doesn't mean it's more expensive doing a rookie product! I would imagine it's incredibly much cheaper, I don't have any numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if it's up to tenth times cheaper to get jerseys etc from rookies, not to mention autographs. Which means Upper Deck must make gold on a product like the Cup which are dominated by rookies. And the Cup will likely hold a better secondhand value, but I don't think the Enshrined is made for money-chasers. Yes the value might suck on some cards but a lot of people want this mainly to be able to open a product and just get HOFers, NOT a bunch of nobodys or yet to be nobodys (cause frankly most rookiepulls aren't golden).
I have to say ITG is brave cause it must be helluva expensive to make this product but it won't be popular with the big majoroity like the Cup is. They've made one for the true fans I guess. However, I agree it's darn expensive and I blame the overall marketprice on that. The Cup is also darn expensive (especially with so many rookies in it). Or products like OPC Premier or UD Black where you get so little for so much money. It's all gone crazy and I don't like seeing a $550 product out there with "only" 6 hits. One complaint: they should have added a chase, like a three tier on the basecards, say /25 and /10, would have added a little bit more.
Btw Roy, wrong on the names. When I get my box I sure as h*ll rather want to pull a MacInnis than a Lemieux, my bet is it will sell much higher. Way too many cards of the big names, don't underestimate the surge after some of these names.
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04-30-2011, 09:16 AM #62
Now that Enshrined is alive... we see in the Box Break section a lot of FILLERS in Enshrined!!!!!!!!! It is a $30/pack product at best. Again, who was right? :) :)
edit: no doubt product is nice looking, but the PROBLEM is it don't worth what ITG is asking on it considering the names inserted in that product and what it is worthing on the real market.Last edited by roy.the.greatest; 04-30-2011 at 09:52 AM.
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04-30-2011, 10:34 PM #63
Sorry roy.the.greatest that you don't appreciate that every player in this product is a Hall of Famer.
Just a bunch of "fillers".
Perhaps you would rather collect Rookie Cards or some Photo Shoot jerseys.
Well that's your choice but your comments about Enshrined above lead me to believe you have very little understanding of hockey trading cards.
But that's ok, its your opinion and this is mine.
$30 a pack for a Hall of Fame autograph or Hall of Memorabilia, not possible. Maybe Panini or Upper Deck could do it. Ask them to try.
Sorry to rant but if the other members on this forum where were opening product at my booth at the Expo and seemed very satisfied don't respond I fell obligated to do so.
But again, your opinion is based on not owning any of the product so I guess we should take it for what it is worth.
Waiting now for Jonpop to chime in.
You know I get many PMs to get more involved with this Forum but it is comments like yours that make me frequent others instead.
Many years from now when all the Rookies you have collected are playing in Europe or the AHL, the players in Enshrined will STILL be in the Hall of Fame.
It was nice to see collectors putting together base sets again. Perhaps this product is for collectors, that's for whom it was designed.
Brian Price
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04-30-2011, 10:51 PM #64
I think this is the point roy.the.greatest and the other ITG bashers are missing. If you're main concern is turning a fast buck or even maintaining your investment, why the heck are you buying hockey cards? It's a hobby. It's about collecting and the joy that it brings. The fact that ITG chops up HOF player's jerseys and obtains some pretty amazing autos shows that they are committed to the collector. As a collector I can't ask much more than that. The player I collect has yet to have a game-used card made by the big license holders. It's all photo-shoot or event-worn. Brian has been putting out Alzner game-used cards since 07-08. They aren't going to make me rich but I didn't buy them for that purpose. Enshrined is a great collection for those that love to collect HOF players. And those are the people this was made for.
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04-30-2011, 10:54 PM #65Hockey Manager
As you well know, Dr. Price, we are always happy to have your thoughts and insights here at SCF. There are always going to be those who have negative opinions of something on the market (regardless of whether it's made by your company, the folks in Carlsbad, or the folks in Texas), and they may not always be well-founded, but you have always allowed your products to do their talking. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but those who actually regularly break packs, boxes, and entire cases of your products far more often than not come away incredibly pleased with the wide range of game-used memorabilia and autographed content inserted into your products. Most people understand that not every pack or box can include a Gordie Howe 1/1 or 16-colour Maurice Richard jersey, but some feel the need to denigrate the accomplishments of Dino Ciccarelli or 4-time Stanley Cup Champion Billy Smith.
Don't worry about the bashers, your customers appreciate the work you do in bringing products such as Enshrined to the market.
Habs fan and collector! Current PC's: Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, and Lane Hutson...., and of course...
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04-30-2011, 11:55 PM #66BANNED
I bought ten packs today and some dealers that were there told me that it was the worst break they have ever seen. I did not get the players I wanted which is fine its all chance. The point I am making is I took all those cards and sold them at the show and still made all my money back. Ill try ten more tomorrow maybe more to get the players I want.
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05-01-2011, 12:17 AM #67Assistant General Manager
Dr. Price,
As I tell many others on these boards and the other boards I have moderated in the past.
Not all forums will be for everyone so go where you enjoy yourself. There are some folks here who truly appreciate ITG. It just as you mention in your thread each one is entitled to their opinion. Some folks like to take their arguments to extreme no matter how good one might counter their facts.
In the end if you wish to stay at other boards or sites that fine. You will always miss opportunities to build the hobby (hockey) and your company by staying away in my humble opinion. If members or folks are asking you to post here why would you not. As are these not the folks who keep you focused on your love for the hobby and ITG your company?
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05-01-2011, 02:46 AM #68
I've never quite understood the lack of love for HOF'ers in the hockey card collecting world. I know lots of people are out trying to make money on the next big rookie and all that but it seems so silly. People are dropping 4 figures on Taylor Hall.. what if he goes out next year, takes a elbow the head and never plays again? Where are you left?
The cards in Enshrined will never lose value and I, personally, appreciate them a lot more than a sticker auto on a card with a photo shoot jersey.
Each to their own I guess but I will admit to having a chuckle to myself after baseball collectors blew their money big on Strasburg only to watch him blow out his elbow and be out for a year.
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05-01-2011, 04:57 AM #69
Thank you for chiming in Brian, it surprises me everyone just go on and on about the resale value, and it's either ultralove for ITG or ulktrahate against ITG. It's really sickens me nobody can just talk normal and love all hobby, all companies, why do we have to take sides? I know bddiam started with a itg-bash thread, but we could evolve the discussion to something else. Can we talk about one product and not make it into a company discussion? My question though, why did you choose to dominate with autographs? Like I said, well for me at least it reduces the entertainment value a great deal (can we please keep that apart from the moneyvalue!).
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05-01-2011, 05:10 AM #70
As for visiting other forums, I don't understand that. There is one thread with a guy who bash itg, and a few joins in but a lot others defend, what's the problem. Like one guy said, there's tons of bashing on Upper Deck and Panini, most of all Panini, I've seen some true hatred against Panini especially on the Hobby Insider forum, Al Muir hasn't left because of that. It comes with it all, unfortunately. That HI contains a higher percentage of ITG fans shouldn't have anything to do with it, if you were as frequent here I think you would turn around a lot of people. You sure got me as a fan the way you helped out with the MTO card. (Please take notice I can like ITG and *still* have questions against one product? Seems people are uncapable of both)
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