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03-29-2005, 03:49 PM #1
Are we killing card values?
I see people all the time here and at card shows, everyone wants to pay 25% of Beckett prices. If that's the case, who is paying Beckett high prices? Is everyone's belief that they can offer $3 for a $10 card actually killing card values?
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03-29-2005, 03:55 PM #2
In my opinion beckett values are overvalued. I have never paid BV for any card.
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03-29-2005, 04:09 PM #3
Me neither; which again raises the question of where the heck does Beckett get those numbers?
I've definitely paid amounts for cards that fall in the range between their low and high book values but never at the high number.
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03-29-2005, 04:15 PM #4
Originally Posted by tommy251
I agree, prices have gone down tremendously because of online trading and eBay where you can find any card you want from multple sellers. For most cards, I have paid 10-15% BV. The exception being a couple of autos where I pay little less than 50% BV.
Before, collectors competed for cards which had limited availablity in an area. Especially if it was a local player. For example, at one NY show, there might be 30 Jeter collectors who are interested in the one Jeter auto available from a dealer so they are willing to pay good money for it.
Now the tables have turned, and collectors can choose from whom they want to buy, and are not just limited to the dealers from the local area. So there is less competition between buyers, and the price is not bid up as high.
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03-29-2005, 04:20 PM #5
I'm not sure that it's killing card values. I do think however, it's causing the range in Beckett hi's and lo's to widen in their price guide. If you go back and look at Beckett's from even ten years ago you see price ranges where the low was usually 50% and often times higher of the high book value. In today's price guides the low value of a card is usually less than 50% of the high value. This wider range causes dealers and collectors to often look for cards priced in the lower end of the range. This unforunately only leads to that hi/lo range widening further. I don't think it hurts the cards high values because there are always collectors willing to pay the high end of book value to obtain their favorite players. Also local market value drives much of the high end prices. You can simply get more for a Vick GU in Atlanta than you can in Tucson. Unfortunately I think what we're headed for in this hobby if things don't change is to one day open our Becketts and read hi/lo values that read for Ex. $2 - $15
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03-29-2005, 04:31 PM #6
I said it before, I'll say it again. Beckett and the card companies are working together. High beckett BV is what justifies the card companies charging the high prices for there cards.
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03-29-2005, 04:40 PM #7
The only reason I use BV is to trade with, since there needs to be some sort of guide to go by (with most folks anyways). As far as paying a certain % of BV....that goes out the window for me. I already have a certain amount figured out for certain cards I want to buy with S&H and I won't go past it, period. For instance, I am looking for a Shyrone Stith 00 Playoff Cont Championship auto/100. I am willing to pay $6 DLVD for the card period. I have no idea of BV, don't care what BV is be it $10 or $40, $6 is what I will pay.
Beckett is just a guide, but ebay isn't the tell all for prices either. I will say people at shows are out of their mind with prices they ask. They will never get asking prices on some of the stuff they have (same with card shops). Shops are different, they have overhead, but shows are different. I have been on both sides of the table...I know.....
I can't feel sorry for shop owners, etc. Making this a business is crazy IMO anymore unless you have the dough to buy the brand spanking new hot cards/boxes and flip them quick before they cool off. Me? I'm just an old fool who likes the underdog/loser types and I try to pick up stuff for a price I can afford. Good thing I like the scrubs or I wouldn't be in this aspect of the hobby at all anymore.
Just rambling ......ignore as needed ;)
Peace~
Rima
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03-29-2005, 05:34 PM #8
The conspiracy theorist in me agrees with tommy. High book values in Beckett may provide justification for high pack/box prices. But I don't even think the Beckett numbers are high enough to justify those prices in most cases. I often wonder too if it's the other way around. Do the card companies have to charge as much as they do because their licensing fees and autograph deals are so costly?
Does anyone know what the MLB charges for licensing or what a typical autograph contract with a player would cost the likes of Upper Deck?
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03-29-2005, 07:27 PM #9
Originally Posted by BlackDiam0nd66
I offered a guy here $20 cash for the Stith which is the current high bv, then I offered $60 to $80 in trade, roughly triple to quadruple the value and the guy said he would pass, I think my final offer was $120 in trade but he still passed. Good Luck finding that card for $6 Rima I wish I could have gotten it for you :(
A lil more on topic, Becketts values have always been crazy, I have never paid more than half book for a card and I never will. Im not sure where Beckett comes up with its numbers from, I hear them claim to base them on actual transactions but we all know that is B.S. It would be nice for someone to come out with a nice price guide that actually represented the market but I know it will never happen.
-Ryan
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03-29-2005, 09:58 PM #10
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft LMAO Ryan...whoever it is is out of his/her freaking mind!!!!!!
There is one on Ebay right now, has been there for a few weeks at BIN $7.99. If that was for DLVD price I may have hit the BIN, but the feedback of the seller isn't the greatest IMO
Some people are just insane. I'm not worried about getting that particular Stith for cheap....it'll happen...it'll just have to be from someone who has common sense...lol
Peace~
Rima
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