Tv > bv

[Tachyon]

Oh I've thought of all those things, but none of these cases fit that criteria. Bad team, player hasn't done much, not wanted by almost anyone. So why is it valued so high? If YOU thought it was art then YOU should keep it.

I don't want to have to go looking through buckets, I absolutely hate that, I would rather a list. I know what the card generally looks like. I would fully expect to pay more for a Stamkos or a Skinner right now. That is also why people state things like (4 CLR patch) or (multi-colour Swatch) in a list.

[mr ozzie]

Why are you getting so upset about trade values when the card is not even yours to begin with?

[Tachyon]

I am not upset like I am going to go postal or something :) I am just sparking some discussion.

Of course Montreal cards go for more. The difference in going to a card show and trying to sell in Dallas and Montreal. You get much more for your cards in Montreal. Rare cards with retired players are more likely to go to a collection immediately when pulled, or traded on a place like this before it ever goes to eBay, thats why when collectors see that rare card placed on eBay there is a bidding war for it. I'm always happy for someone who sells their card for more than it books for.

I think the problem is people are relying on the actual Beckett. We all know they don't list everything, only the most commonly traded sets and cards. When someone looks it up in the beckett and they dont see if they put some imaginary number on it and most of the time they're wrong. We all want our cards to be worth more than they probably are.

[Tachyon]

Because the card ended up as mine and I obviously should have got more in return. ? I don't understand your question.

If you think you have a $100 card and I never see it then of course I wouldnt care, but if you give me a $100 card for $100 worth of cards and I find out it is only worth $25 of course I am going to be mad. Nothing just jumps 4x in price. Did the guy die or something? Give me a break.

[max91ess]

but dont trade for it if you think its too much as simple as that its like if i decide that my crosby auto is worth 1K well too bad i'llkeep it if noone giuves me 1K...its my card, my choice

[mr ozzie]

but dont trade for it if you think its too much as simple as that its like if i decide that my crosby auto is worth 1K well too bad i'llkeep it if noone giuves me 1K...its my card, my choice

You're selling a Crosby auto for $1k and not tell me? What gives?

[Drewk86a]

I have to agree that value is a relative term in that a card may mean more to me than you, which may cause me to put a premium on it. I have a Craig Berube card that books for around $10, however, it would take a heck of a lot more than $10 to pry it from my hands. Talking Book Value only works if everyone accepts the same book as being accurate and you still have to take into account the other persons attachment to that card.

Besides, part of making a trade requires doing a little research. you seem to be relying and accepting the value another person has given a card. Do some checking on multiple resources, not just Beckett, and see if that value is legit. Check eBay for recent sales, or other sites where card sales / trades take place.

Bottom line, you cannot tell me what value to place on my cards. What you can do is reject my offer, or make a counter offer.

[Marko]

If you go straight by the bible ... errrr beckett it means:

beckett is nearly worthless today, they seem to price cards randomly.
at the start of a year they decide which players are "hot" and keep this illusion up. and i am pretty sure if someone of the bosses starts to collect a certain player or they pull some nice cards of certain players the market gets hot out of nowhere and nobody can ever do anything about it, you can not proof that, you just can ponder.

they don't even try to track the market for older sets, and by older i mean just 2 years back.

if you want to trade only via BV and without values you actually can proof i have some really nice deals for you:

i give you this beauty of a Dion Phaneuf 05-06 UD Rookie Threads card...

its worth 80 $ !!! at least thats what my holy book says

and you give me

that Logan Couture The Cup RC booking for 60$ + Logan Couture SPA FW RC... hey man its worth 25$

ok i win 5$ but ... you get a 80$ card for 2 other cards worth less, not a bad deal eh ?

what did just happen here ?

the one guy got a card worth 5-10$ and the other got 2 cards worth a combined 130$

This will happen all the time if you go by Beckett... even i do it.
If someone insists on BV i will try to make the better deal by picking out the goodies... the undervalued ones. And quite often i get what i want, he/she had the chance to check ebay and see that the cards i picked go for much more then the ones he/she gets in return.

If that book is holy to them and they are jailed in that book, thats not my fault.

[RGM81]

I'm sorry guys, I'm new to the boards and didn't know people just put whatever figure they want on it.

The odds of pulling the Jason Spezza /150 and a non-numbered jersey is the same. The /150 there are cards of all players in the set and the non-numbers there are a select few players, and more of each. The same total amount printed, for the same price bought means they are basically worth the same.

Oh but if you like the /150 cause you have a thing for serial numbers then by all means, mark it up three-fold and trade it away for more than it's worth.

I think Beckett is right on for the most part. They treat each card is if someone needed that 1 for the set, thats what it's worth to that person. If you go to eBay you can get most of those cards for so much cheaper, especially in lots.

I am not talking cards #'d less than 25, obviously there is no price out there for that. It's like a piece of art worth something different to everyone. For common cards though, there should never be any circumstance where one raises the price four-fold. If its worth that much to them they should keep it in their PC not try to pass it on to someone else as if it were acutally valued that high.

It's not a totally random thing, there is usually evidence to back up their assigned value to a card. Someone that talks a lot at this site recently had an article about the way he assigns values to cards has evolved over the years. It can be read here: https://www.sportscardforum.com/artic...%80%99s-value/

Generally speaking, the hobby has moved beyond Beckett and gone for a more DIY approach. Speaking personally, with over 400 Carey Price cards in my collection I have a pretty good idea in my head as to what constitutes a good deal for his cards at this point. Beckett may say that mid-level 2010-11 sticker auto /25 is worth $25 but if I see that card selling regularly for double that amount (as it often has in some Panini products this year), and I see somebody put up a BIN at "half book" you can bet I'm going to hit that BIN very, very quickly. On the flipside, if I am to sell a hot Taylor Hall RC am I going to go by a Beckett value that says it's 40 bucks when it sells for $50?

Research is always key. Knowledge is power. All that good stuff. There have been deals where I've willingly traded away a $40BV of a hot rookie for a $25BV Carey Price card - why? Because over the long haul, hot rookie in Columbus =/= Carey Price.

The bottom line is that we all deviate from Beckett to varying degrees in order to make a deal that makes us happy. If you like a card that you're willing to give up 4 GUs and an auto for, be happy regardless of whether or not you "win" the BV battle. My traders box is littered with cards that I will joyfully move to the first person that expresses interest in them and has a card or two that I want. PC >>>> Traders

[Tachyon]

All very good points.

I did the research and in one case it's worth about the same as BV but I couldnt even sell it for 50% of BV which now makes the TV over-valued by 8x.

Of course you're all right in the sense that I should have done that research BEFORE the trade :P

The difference is, some of these cards weren't for my PC, which a lot of people would trade up for, instead they were for trade-bait. That's where the problem stems from. I can't do anything trade-bait wise with a card that has been over-valued by 400%! I have to wait a looooooong time until I run into someone that collects the player, or the set.