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09-05-2005, 04:14 PM #11
Originally Posted by heroesandhobbyz
This is clearly a Beckett-weighted (i.e. younger) crowd, and I don't want things thrown at me.
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09-05-2005, 09:38 PM #12
As with most of the major companies PSA has its negatives to go along with it's positives. There will always be a someone scrutinizing there company especially with the scandals associated with it over the last few years(WIWAG is the main one). Still, I think their good definitely outways the bad that comes with grading. I would take them any day of the week over BGS/BVG. Any company(BGS) that says they accept cards that are shorter(forget the exact amount they allow) is no good in my book. Basically this allows anyone to send in sheet cut cards or trimmed cards and Beckett passes them through. Don't get me wrong, each of the companies have let cards slip through but some of the ones that have been brought up on the Beckett boards are so obvious it is a shame.
Also, don't be fooled into this BGS 9.5 sells for so much more than a PSA 10. Give it some time as you will see this dissappear. Check out how many BGS 9.5's have been entering the market and you are going to see a big decline in prices. Also, this is for modern cards that they sell for more. PSA owns the Vintage market over them.
If you want to try a company that basically has no bad press go to SGC. Great holder, consistent grading and friendly service. I believe they are the most accurate graders out there. One day they will get their due. They are far superior in the pre-war grading and prices realized for their cards of that era plus some of the post war era cards are not too bad.
Just my 2 cents
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09-05-2005, 10:21 PM #13
^ I agree that PSA has more positives than negatives...but their main negative (i don't know if this has changed) is that they never allowed regular collectors to send cards in for grading, but only the biggest dealers...that's how BGS became the giant...PSA didn't evolve with the market.
I don't get the feeling, myself, that BGS9.5s will ever go below PSA10s. They are both "Gem Mints" regardless of the numbering scale, and there is a perception that BGS grades tougher than PSA (I believe that, from some of the PSA 10s i've seen with horrific centering).
I don't have anything really negative to say about SGC, but I would rather have a card with the same grade from BGS. I've had a bunch of SGC, PSA, and BGS of the same card and grade, when I go to shows or sell them on ebay the BGS usually gets more money and/or bidders. But I do hear SGC is really popular with vintage cards.
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09-05-2005, 10:31 PM #14
Originally Posted by bjfan82
The problem with the BGS 9.5's is that Beckett is issuing them at an alarming rate. It used to be that they were real tough on grading. Not the case any longer. Supply will out weigh the demand over time thus leading to their prices dropping.
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09-05-2005, 10:39 PM #15
^ that may be true...I have noticed on their pop reports more 9.5s but I always attributed it to people doing a better selection of picking cards to send in. Once people realize their 9s and below are almost worthless people start sending in better condition cards.
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09-06-2005, 08:56 PM #16 Originally Posted by bjfan82
Not so. PSA does require you to be a member, or submit through a member, and that costs $99 a year (which includes 6 gradings, subscriptions to SMR mag and online price guide, and pop. report) and usually some gift or other. The first year, the gift is The Top 200 Cards in the Hobby, a very interesting read. Of course everything in the book is in a PSA holder, since the author is Joe Orlando. Members also have access to the monthly grading specials. Add the discount specials to the free gradings, and the $99 gets repaid in a hurry if you do much submitting at all. If you don't plan to submit to PSA beyond the 6 freebies, the membership fee is a bit steep. It's really not geared to the modern pack-busting crowd; that's Beckett's turf.
As for the "alarming" increase in BGS 9.5's, I pretty much agree that's true. Just check eBay and BMP -- holy cow! But I doubt that people suddenly became 5x more selective about their submissions this year. It might have something to do with new owners with a new business plan taking over Beckett in January.
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09-06-2005, 09:25 PM #17
^ that's what I meant...a "member"...but almost always members were big dealers
Yeah I don't think people have gotten 5 times better at selecting which cards to grade...but I think people have gotten better. When i started collecting I would see people getting Griffey RCs (for example) graded at a 5.0...then when they realized it is a bad investment to do that and that it is worth more for them to bust it out of the case, they stopped sending cards in that condition in to get graded. Just my opinion...i'm sure it doesn't constitute the perceived increase in 9.5s all together but I'm sure it's a part of it. If anything, imo, i've seen more 8.5s and 9.0s at shows than I have 9.5s...they are still super rare overall which is why they still get a great premium.
I'm not sold yet that BGS is giving out 9.5s like crazy...I haven't seen any evidence of that...they still have by far the toughest standards...There will always be more 9.5s introduced to the market everyday. If there are 50 9.5s of a particular card...that number will never go down, it can only go up as more and more people send cards in to get graded. Every 9.5 from BGS i've seen have been incredibly accurate with their subgrades, so i don't think they are just giving 9.5s out to anycard...like USA, BCCG, ACG or others.
Do I think 9.5s may be exceeding the demand for certains high volume graded cards? Maybe...but I don't see a trend yet of the secondary market being flooded by 9.5s.
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