Police rant!!!!!!!!!!!!

[palmdesertcards]

LOL. did you mean you wanted to meet him on the side of a road for a chat? it's kind of obvious what you were insinuating.

Actually a chat in real life in a real situation would be great. I would probably be able to understand his opinion better in a real situation versus a message board where he is just sticking up for his peers.

I may be fired up a lot, but I dont think I would try a fist fight with someone with a gun and rack in a few felonies.

This thread is teetering on out of control status so lets just keep it constructive yeah?

[MattDMC]

And also before this thread gets shut down can you please look at it from our angle.

If you unbuckled to get something from the back seat, If a cop sees you unbuckled are you not breaking the seatbelt law? it doesn't matter if its in front of your house for only a minute you were still operating a motor vehicle unbuckled.

The phone is an iffy subject that could go both ways. I believe you were looking at the time but if a cop sees you from a distance with a phone in your hands he is to only assume your were texting and breaking the law. If you weren't good for you it can easy be fought in court.

just because it happened to be the same cop on seperate instances even minor instances I still fail to see how him stopping you for what he assumed was you breaking the law makes him a coward. If in fact he were a coward he wouldn't be putting his badge on everyday and putting the life on the line if he were a coward he wouldn't be in this line of work.

Just because you had a bad run in with him that didn't go your way that doesn't classify him as a coward that classifies you as somebody who can't man the F up and take responsability for your actions. You just rather blame him accusing him of having a grudge on you and crying unfair to the judge.

[Star_Cards]

Actually a chat in real life in a real situation would be great. I would probably be able to understand his opinion better in a real situation versus a message board where he is just sticking up for his peers.

I may be fired up a lot, but I dont think I would try a fist fight with someone with a gun and rack in a few felonies.

This thread is teetering on out of control status so lets just keep it constructive yeah?

I've been nothing but constructive, in my opinion. I think my comments have been pretty well thought out and have seen the situations from both sides. I have nothing to do with the teetering of the thread.

[palmdesertcards]

Dude I DO see it from your side, I really do. I have had my fair share of actual offenses. I have driven over 50,000 miles on a revoked license. I have spent time in jail before over infractions. I used to be a cops nightmare, but I have grown and have a SPOTLESS record now.

HOWEVER, before you tell me to man up and huff and puff... Read the laws. The law states that you can not engage in text messaging or speech on your phone while operating a motor vehicle. I did neither, I popped it out of my pocket, checked the clock, and put it right back. I did not break the law.

The seatbelt issue is not as clear cut. I was stopped at a light, transmission in park and took it off to reach something.

Im not blaming anyone, except the loser trying to pump up his quota. The cell phone stop ESPECIALLY was BS as it is CLEAR CUT i was not breaking the law.

We will see who has the last laugh when the infrction is dropped.

[MattDMC]

Trust me I never meant for this thread to get out of control and start personal arguments I was just trying to show you that just like everything else in life there are two points of view to the story. The cops and the pedestrians will always have two different view points I'm just trying to get you to recognize our view point and maybe you won't be so upset about it.

Anything you took personally I apologize for (Instead of hiding and being a coward JK LOL)

[palmdesertcards]

Trust me I never meant for this thread to get out of control and start personal arguments I was just trying to show you that just like everything else in life there are two points of view to the story. The cops and the pedestrians will always have two different view points I'm just trying to get you to recognize our view point and maybe you won't be so upset about it.

Anything you took personally I apologize for (Instead of hiding and being a coward JK LOL)

No harm done man. We were just giving our opinions, and beleive it or not i do respect yours. I have friends that are police that are great people. This is a unique situation and I am in a low populated area. I drive as perfect as I can now on his patrol area. I only got upset with him because it wasnt a fair sitatuion. When I have been popped for speeding, no drivers license, and so forth I am just like "alright man, you got me whats the next step"

[MattDMC]

Dude I DO see it from your side, I really do. I have had my fair share of actual offenses. I have driven over 50,000 miles on a revoked license. I have spent time in jail before over infractions. I used to be a cops nightmare, but I have grown and have a SPOTLESS record now.

Congrats on cleaning up the record

HOWEVER, before you tell me to man up and huff and puff... Read the laws. The law states that you can not engage in text messaging or speech on your phone while operating a motor vehicle. I did neither, I popped it out of my pocket, checked the clock, and put it right back. I did not break the law.

Like I said early the phone is iffy. Was the cop in the car next to you could he see what you were doing on the phone? Nope. He saw the phone and assumed you were texting which in a normal situation why else would you be using a phone as most cars have clocks to check the time. If they see a phone in hand no matter what your using it for you can be stopped and checked out but its an easy one to fight in court just show phone records that show no texts or calls at that time and your golden.

The seatbelt issue is not as clear cut. I was stopped at a light, transmission in park and took it off to reach something.

if your stopped at a light even in park the motor is running its considered operating a motor vehicle because its under power so yes you would still need a seatbelt/

Im not blaming anyone, except the loser trying to pump up his quota. The cell phone stop ESPECIALLY was BS as it is CLEAR CUT i was not breaking the law.

Again from his viewpoint phone in hand=possible text still have to check it out.

We will see who has the last laugh when the infrction is dropped.
I wish you the best of luck as you've said you weren't doing anything just show phone records and your good to go.

This is my last reply and then this thread can vanish in thin air you'll never see me again.

[ensbergcollector]

Dude I DO see it from your side, I really do. I have had my fair share of actual offenses. I have driven over 50,000 miles on a revoked license. I have spent time in jail before over infractions. I used to be a cops nightmare, but I have grown and have a SPOTLESS record now.

HOWEVER, before you tell me to man up and huff and puff... Read the laws. The law states that you can not engage in text messaging or speech on your phone while operating a motor vehicle. I did neither, I popped it out of my pocket, checked the clock, and put it right back. I did not break the law.

The seatbelt issue is not as clear cut. I was stopped at a light, transmission in park and took it off to reach something.

Im not blaming anyone, except the loser trying to pump up his quota. The cell phone stop ESPECIALLY was BS as it is CLEAR CUT i was not breaking the law.

We will see who has the last laugh when the infrction is dropped.

as for the phone, most people have said that with your phone record in hand you can get that overturned. doesn't make the officer wrong. he wrote the ticket based on what he saw. the evidence of your phone bill wasn't available to him at the time.

[palmdesertcards]

that post sums it up about right.

phone records=proof of phone use

[MattDMC]

that post sums it up about right.

phone records=proof of phone use

Exactally no way to prove it on the side of the road if in fact OP is right he should have no problem in court.

If the cop sees you with a phone thats all he needs to write a ticket everything else is up to you to prove him wrong. Thats why I personally don't like enforcing the law but its just something we have to do.