Site Rule question....

[AThrash37DSnyder]

WOW

I got to admit this thread gave me a good laugh

Hey buddy...No one is forcing you to trade, post, yell, scream..ect on this forum..If you dont like it, there is an X at the top right of your computer screen :)

Mods, you are doing a great job here..Keep up the good work :)

[duane1969]

It has nothing to do with not agreeing with rules.. it's the fact that the rules are both contradictory to each other and leave me in limbo in a situation like this.

The rules do not contradict each other. Not a fact.

On one had they say we should post all deals or forfeit any protection.. on the other they are saying if you post multiple deals on the same day with the same person.. you are violating a rule lol. On a third hand it was said in this thread you should post multiple deals, but only leave feedback for one of them... this is where I am getting very very confused.

The only thing you seem to truly be confused about is that you have to follow the rules. Other than that you seem to be trying to interpret the rules to fit your own need to argue that you don't have to follow the rules.

I will try to be as simple as possible so that hopefully there will be no need for you to ask the same question anymore.

- You must post a trade for it to be moderated in the event of a dispute
- If you post more than one trade with a person in the same day and all trades are sent seperately then you can leave feedback for all of them
- If you post multiple trades with a person in the same day and all trades are shipped together then you must request that the trades be merged

And to the other guys point "don't make a deal at 10am if you think you might add to it..." We never intended to add to it. I had paid for the item, he had packaged it. This was an "oh by the way...." moment. I paid separately for the second item and asked him to package them together to save him postage money.

And you left feedback for each deal which implied that they are seperate deals, and as you just stated, you knew they were not.

[shrewsbury]

could they have posted the trade the next day, paid the next day, and mail out together? would that be a rule violation?

now that i read what i wrote, i see it would be, but wonder why

[Imac7065]

THEY WERE SEPARATE DEALS!!! LOL.. that's the entire point here!

You keep accusing me of trying to skirt rules, or asking how to go around them.. I have no idea where that is coming from. My original point in the thread was not understanding why I was being threatened a 10 point infraction for something that was A) done in my opinion properly (although I did not know I should have requested a merger) and B) Couldn't be avoided...

You had me stuck between a rock and a hard place, and your response is to accuse me of wrong doing.. I don't get that at all. I find it quite rude in fact

The rules do not contradict each other. Not a fact.



The only thing you seem to truly be confused about is that you have to follow the rules. Other than that you seem to be trying to interpret the rules to fit your own need to argue that you don't have to follow the rules.

I will try to be as simple as possible so that hopefully there will be no need for you to ask the same question anymore.

- You must post a trade for it to be moderated in the event of a dispute
- If you post more than one trade with a person in the same day and all trades are sent seperately then you can leave feedback for all of them
- If you post multiple trades with a person in the same day and all trades are shipped together then you must request that the trades be merged



And you left feedback for each deal which implied that they are seperate deals, and as you just stated, you knew they were not.

[Imac7065]

could they have posted the trade the next day, paid the next day, and mail out together? would that be a rule violation?

now that i read what i wrote, i see it would be, but wonder why

I think someone is starting to get my point of view on this here. The person I did these 2 deals with is in violation because they saved on postage? It just doesn't make sense. The only thing these deals had in common was being completed on the same day.

[duane1969]

I spend my entire day dealing with teens who have the exact same problem as you. Rather than recognizing that they have to abide by the rules they break them and then try to argue that it is OK that they broke them by challenging the validity of the rules themselves. Rather than acknoeldge that bringing a knife to school is wrong, they argue that since they meant to do no harm with it then it should not be a problem. Rather than acknowledge that they broke state law by bringing tobacco on school property they argue that since daddy bought it for them that they should not get into trouble. The one common denominator is this. Regardless of their flawed opinion of how the rules should be interpreted or enforced, they still broke the rules and they still are wrong.

It is simple. You agreed to abide by the site rules for the priveledge of trading on here. If you do not like the rules then I don't know what to tell you except to not trade here. The rules will not be changed to accomodate you. This rule was devised to prevent people from doing exactly what you did. Rant all you want, the rule will remain the same.

[TheTGB]

If you have two different transactions that are shipped together, you should receive only 1 feedback rating.

If you have two different transactions that are shipped in separate envelopes, then you can receive 2 feedback ratings.

It doesn't matter if you paid two different times. In your case of buying something, if it's shipped together it counts as one transaction. If he shipped them in two separate envelopes it counts as 2 transactions.

This is to prevent someone from buying 6 different things from someone, for instance every hour for 6 hours, and having that person ship in one envelope and receiving 6 feedback points. Is that fair? No.

I helped design that rule when it was put into place. It works fine. There was RARELY an issue with it. People understand the needed integrity of the feedback rating system.

The warning was given so you know not to do it again. SCF could have the mods just give you points without warnings but they chose to give out warnings ahead of time to prevent people from getting infractions.

And yes, they are in violation because they "saved on postage". That is one transaction as they are shipped together. And no, that's not the only thing those deals had in common. They were also shipped in the same package. 1 transaction = 1 package. 2 transactions = 2 packages. Get it? 2 transactions does not equal 1 package.

That's the rule. It's the way it is for good reason.

[ajw9356]

It's a valid rule, it also helps prevent someone for coming in here and posting 20 trades in one day with themselves on two different user accounts and then can fraudulently try to sell cards that don't exist at exorbant prices and then never deliver because they no longer have to send first after reaching 20 trades, or any similar situation.
There is no sense in trying to justify the situation now, it's clear the rule is intended so that you can't get multiple feedbacks for doing the work for one trade, which intentional or not was going to happen. From now on take the advise that's been provided and apply it if this situation ever happens again and you'll probably never hear another word about it.
I think everyone can understand you weren't trying to break the set site rules intentionally and the Moderaterators on here just try to keep consistant between everyone and not give preferential treatment to others and they don't attack you personnally. I've had some minor rule infractions that I had forgotton were in place that I was warned on and accepted the fact. I normally send a message to the moderator usually that I had forgotten the rule and you normally will get a fair warning and no points docked, unless you are not completion trades or something fraudulent etc in which case you account should be frozen.

[hawk2618]

Create multiple deals. Send multiple packages. Leave multiple feedbacks. No problem.
Create multiple deals. Send one package. Leave multiple feedbacks. Problem

I've read this whole thread,painful as it was but yet kinda amusing,sorry.Anyway,I have a quick question here about the above:
Lets say Imac makes 3 separate deals with the same trader and he tells the seller "please send those in separate packages because I don't want to break the rules of feedback fraud" and the seller sits back in his chair and laughs and types "OKKKK buddy, will do".4 days later it all comes in the mail in 1 package to Imac.Is he, as the buyer,who made 3 separate transactions by paypal, still going to be considered "breaking the rules" even though he "CLEARLY" asked the seller to send separately? He would've done his deals by the rules in this case but the seller wouldn't have.If these deals had happened this WAY,I would've been upset myself,because as the buyer,you have no control over how items are sent out by the seller, just his word! ~~Dave C.

[duane1969]

Create multiple deals. Send multiple packages. Leave multiple feedbacks. No problem.
Create multiple deals. Send one package. Leave multiple feedbacks. Problem

I've read this whole thread,painful as it was but yet kinda amusing,sorry.Anyway,I have a quick question here about the above:
Lets say Imac makes 3 separate deals with the same trader and he tells the seller "please send those in separate packages because I don't want to break the rules of feedback fraud" and the seller sits back in his chair and laughs and types "OKKKK buddy, will do".4 days later it all comes in the mail in 1 package to Imac.Is he, as the buyer,who made 3 separate transactions by paypal, still going to be considered "breaking the rules" even though he "CLEARLY" asked the seller to send separately? He would've done his deals by the rules in this case but the seller wouldn't have.If these deals had happened this WAY,I would've been upset myself,because as the buyer,you have no control over how items are sent out by the seller, just his word! ~~Dave C.

Good question.

If he asked the seller to send in 3 packages and the seller sends in one then no rule is broken by either side. If he or the seller leaves feedback for 3 deals as if they all came seperately then a rule has been broken.

The rule is not broken by the act of sending multiple deals in one package. It is broken by leaving multiple feedbacks for one package. That is why the rule/infraction is named "Feedback Fraud". Quite frankly, the way I interpret the rule, if you want to do 100 deals with the same person and ship them in the same package then you are fine as long as you do not leave 100 feedbacks. 1 package = 1 transaction = 1 feedback.

The reason that we ask that a mod be contacted and the deals be merged into one is to avoid any issue with feedback fraud or the appearance of attempting feedback fraud.