Free will or not?

[andrewhoya]

What do you believe in? I think that our lives are already planned out and that nothing we can do can change it. Since we cannot change it, I believe that religion is far more complicated than most of us think.

[WilyWestbrook0]

I'm with the "both" camp. You are still making decisions every day without a gun to your head, are you not? Even if one considers God knowing what we will do beforehand, it's not like He's dictating to us what we are doing every second. We aren't robots.

[andrewhoya]

I'm with the "both" camp. You are still making decisions every day without a gun to your head, are you not? Even if one considers God knowing what we will do beforehand, it's not like He's dictating to us what we are doing every second. We aren't robots.

IN my book, every move we already completed was written out already. Even though you think you are making the decision, it was already decided you would do so.

[habsheaven]

I am going to refrain from saying what I really think about your opinion on this andrewhoya because it would get me thrown off the site. With that said, any God that lays down a plan for a child to be raped and murdered is not a God at all. They are a monster. No better than the monster that does thier dirty work.

Edit: and just what would be the purpose or intent of everything already being laid out?

[andrewhoya]

I am going to refrain from saying what I really think about your opinion on this andrewhoya because it would get me thrown off the site. With that said, any God that lays down a plan for a child to be raped and murdered is not a God at all. They are a monster. No better than the monster that does thier dirty work.

See that's where I believe religion gets way more complicated.

I know this sounds crazy, but what I believe in is that the devil fights with control with the creator gods over power of their human beings. Any evil is done by the devils 'editing the books' that were written for us. It is a never ending battle.

[andrewhoya]

I am going to refrain from saying what I really think about your opinion on this andrewhoya because it would get me thrown off the site. With that said, any God that lays down a plan for a child to be raped and murdered is not a God at all. They are a monster. No better than the monster that does thier dirty work.

Edit: and just what would be the purpose or intent of everything already being laid out?

As for your edit, for me it is comforting knowing that my life is already planned out. I know my god has chosen my path and I don't need to worry about huge life changing decisions.

[habsheaven]

See that's where I believe religion gets way more complicated.

I know this sounds crazy, but what I believe in is that the devil fights with control with the creator gods over power of their human beings. Any evil is done by the devils 'editing the books' that were written for us. It is a never ending battle.

So you are saying that their is a power out there equal to God? And again, why are these books written for us?

[andrewhoya]

So you are saying that their is a power out there equal to God? And again, why are these books written for us?

No, if they were equal then there would be just as many murderers on earth as there were innocent people. I don't believe that they have the ability to create humans, just severely mess with them.

[habsheaven]

As for your edit, for me it is comforting knowing that my life is already planned out. I know my god has chosen my path and I don't need to worry about huge life changing decisions.

But your plan has been changed. Think about it. How many people will you meet in your life? If any one of them is wiped out by the "devil's evil doing", the butterfly affect completely screws up your book.

[andrewhoya]

But your plan has been changed. Think about it. How many people will you meet in your life? If any one of them is wiped out by the "devil's evil doing", the butterfly affect completely screws up your book.

I have an answer for this, I just don't know how to put it into words. Its hard for me to post online. I'm much more comfortable face to face.