Free will or not?

[theonedru]

a debate on Free Will vs. Determinism...an awesome topic first
I will post once i am NOT so tired

However, Andrew please feel free to google on topic. you will find a number of good essays on this very topic.

It's weird in the sense that the Devil, once the right hand of God basically did what he did to be thrown out of heaven ... And who basically took the devils place, Jesus.... I am trying to wrap my head around this but it might take a few days for my brain to absorb it and have it be logical. I am getting old.

[duwal]

Free will, I think people are foolish to believe that their lives and steps are all planned out by some spiritual being. Why even live if you don't think you're in control of your lives?

[andrewhoya]

as weird as this might sound..iv always believed that absolutely everything you do..every choice you make has been planned by god..even if you do have control of what you do, i think god knows what your choices will be.

Exactly how I feel.

So how does your theory of "no free will" affect me? Are you saying that God's plan for me is that I will never believe in Him? How is that fair? It's not my fault I doubt His existence, He made it so.

I'm polytheistic. I think there is a Christian god, Muslim god, etc, and they all create their 'children', which is why there are so many different religions. If there was only one god, then why would he create different competing religions? Why would he create evil if he had total control over the world? I believe there is also a 'non-believer' 'god' out there who creates, well, non believers.

[andrewhoya]

The devil has no real powers except that of persuasion unless they were given crazy awesome Godlike powers by God, which makes zero sense. He was nothing but a fallen angel as such he could only posses the same powers angels have

That is where I disagree.

[andrewhoya]

a debate on Free Will vs. Determinism...an awesome topic first
I will post once i am NOT so tired

However, Andrew please feel free to google on topic. you will find a number of good essays on this very topic.

I'll check them out when I have some time. Thanks.

Free will, I think people are foolish to believe that their lives and steps are all planned out by some spiritual being. Why even live if you don't think you're in control of your lives?

Because I love live and everything that happens in it.

[MadMan1978]

as weird as this might sound..iv always believed that absolutely everything you do..every choice you make has been planned by god..even if you do have control of what you do, i think god knows what your choices will be.

This is a full contradiction of thought really. Free will and determinism are not compatible in the least.

[hawk2618]

So how does your theory of "no free will" affect me? Are you saying that God's plan for me is that I will never believe in Him? How is that fair? It's not my fault I doubt His existence, He made it so.

This is kinda hard to explain,but I'll try.I believe every person born is born into this world with desires and beliefs broke down in percentages.
I also believe our life is planned out for us like Andrew posted earlier.Maybe God created you with only 40% desire to believe in him and you chose the 60% not to believe,I don't know.Also...how do we all know that our choices in life aren't tests that he has laid out for us and He already knows which choice we will make?? In real life...some tests are hard,some are easy right? I think our lives are one big test that we have to live out and do the best we can.
~~Dave C.

[Star_Cards]

I absolutely agree in complete free will. I have the choice to right now to do most anything I please. I don't get the position of having our lives mapped out by a god. If our lives are mapped out like stories, with the people who have horrible lives and have horrible things done to them, the God who mapped these lives out is completely sick.

Besides, if our lives where mapped out, wouldn't you think God would have mapped everyone's lives so that we follow his "rules". Also, if our lives are mapped out, then why are there things considered sins. Wouldn't god map out lives where people just didn't sin. Why make them sin and not all be perfect examples of how to live under Gods rule? That alone make me wonder why anyone would think our lives are planned out.

[Star_Cards]

So how does your theory of "no free will" affect me? Are you saying that God's plan for me is that I will never believe in Him? How is that fair? It's not my fault I doubt His existence, He made it so.

great point. did god plan for me to not believe in him?

[andrewhoya]

great point. did god plan for me to not believe in him?

I believe that there is a 'un-believer' creator.