Free will or not?

[habsheaven]

this is the biggest issue that I have with people who think they are simply living what god planned out for them. This is mainly why I can't comprehend why people would think this.

Can you imagine living in a society that thought like this? A handful of people thinking this is scary enough, imagine a society full of them. Makes you shudder.

[Star_Cards]

Can you imagine living in a society that thought like this? A handful of people thinking this is scary enough, imagine a society full of them. Makes you shudder.

It's odd. If a person thinks god plans our lives out 100% then what right does a person have to say what a horrible person a molester or murderer is? Aren't they just doing what god wrote for them to do? I guess they could say that god wrote for them to also be hated and punished by their fellow humans. If that's the case then God is just a sick individual in my opinion.

[habsheaven]

I don't think there is any doubt about it. If there is a God with the abilities that believers say He has, then He is a twisted entity for sure.

[hawk2618]

Okay, well back to the thread topic. So you do not hold yourself accountable for anything you do? Hypothetically, you could kill the next person you see, or rob the corner store, or even strike your own mother and then claim it's not your fault. It was part of God's plan.

Of course you hold yourself accountable for what you do.Just because this was a choice/path he laid down for you doesn't mean it has to be acted upon.Do you know how many people I think I COULD kill???
Trust me....you don't want to know.But it's MY choice not to act upon it because I was strong enough to know the RIGHT choice.Just because someone slaps their mother or robs the nearest liqour store doesn't mean that God WANTED/PLANNED that.Everyones life is like a map.Those people were simply tempted and made the wrong choice. ~~Dave C.

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But if there's no such thing as free will, how can you have the choice of NOT acting upon the plan?

[habsheaven]

Of course you hold yourself accountable for what you do.Just because this was a choice/path he laid down for you doesn't mean it has to be acted upon.Do you know how many people I think I COULD kill???
Trust me....you don't want to know.But it's MY choice not to act upon it because I was strong enough to know the RIGHT choice.Just because someone slaps their mother or robs the nearest liqour store doesn't mean that God WANTED/PLANNED that.Everyones life is like a map.Those people were simply tempted and made the wrong choice. ~~Dave C.

Of course it does. If you believe what andrewhoya believes that there is no free will, you cannot not follow that path. Any choice you make, God either planned for you to make, or the Devil coerced you into making a different choice. That is the point of the thread! according to andrewhoya.

[Star_Cards]

Of course you hold yourself accountable for what you do.Just because this was a choice/path he laid down for you doesn't mean it has to be acted upon.Do you know how many people I think I COULD kill???
Trust me....you don't want to know.But it's MY choice not to act upon it because I was strong enough to know the RIGHT choice.Just because someone slaps their mother or robs the nearest liqour store doesn't mean that God WANTED/PLANNED that.Everyones life is like a map.Those people were simply tempted and made the wrong choice. ~~Dave C.

I'm lost. If your life is completely mapped out then god would have mapped for murders to murder and they had no way to avoid being a murderer. If they were able to choose not to murder then you have free will and not going off of God's script for your life.

[Star_Cards]

Of course it does. If you believe what andrewhoya believes that there is no free will, you cannot not follow that path. Any choice you make, God either planned for you to make, or the Devil coerced you into making a different choice. That is the point of the thread! according to andrewhoya.

I'll even go as far to say that if you believe there is no free will then even the devil wouldn't be able to talk you into doing something that god hadn't planned.

[hawk2618]

First off...free will and choice are 2 different things. Just because you have 2 choices doesn't mean you don't have the free will to choose it.Here's an example(even though I posted a few already)At this very moment....
I have the free will to type a swear,but VOILA!!!!....I dont...why????? Because I had a my own free will to make that choice of NO or YES. God planned that decision for me...and I acted upon it in the right way.
When we say God planned our whole lives.....what we are saying is as he created us with every conceivable temptation....it is our free will to make the right choice.
~~Dave C.

[habsheaven]

First off...free will and choice are 2 different things. Just because you have 2 choices doesn't mean you don't have the free will to choose it.Here's an example(even though I posted a few already)At this very moment....
I have the free will to type a swear,but VOILA!!!!....I dont...why????? Because I had a my own free will to make that choice of NO or YES. God planned that decision for me...and I acted upon it in the right way.
When we say God planned our whole lives.....what we are saying is as he created us with every conceivable temptation....it is our free will to make the right choice.
~~Dave C.

I'm not sure what part of NO FREE WILL you do not understand. Andrewhoya's belief is that you DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL, therefore you cannot make a choice (you may think you are making a choice but in fact God has already planned out what you are going to do).

Ughh!!! Why am I explaining andrewhoya's position for him??? He has made it abundantly clear what his position is. Some people just like to argue against my posts with no regard to what I am commenting on. smh