Question about the founding fathers

[ALADOG]

I have read somewhere that the actual discussion about religion when our country was founded was about keeping any Chistian DENOMINATION from being established as a State religion, not the exclusion of religion 100% as we now interpret. There apparently are writings (letters to and from the founding fathers) to support this.

And the other question; please point out the Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, followers of Confucious and followers of other world religions that were founding fathers. I am aware of several that were deists, but none of the above mentioned.

So is the old statement that we are the melting pot true or a farce? It appears that the founders of our country were primarily WASPS with similar backgrounds.

[mrveggieman]

I have read somewhere that the actual discussion about religion when our country was founded was about keeping any Chistian DENOMINATION from being established as a State religion, not the exclusion of religion 100% as we now interpret. There apparently are writings (letters to and from the founding fathers) to support this.

And the other question; please point out the Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, followers of Confucious and followers of other world religions that were founding fathers. I am aware of several that were deists, but none of the above mentioned.

So is the old statement that we are the melting pot true or a farce? It appears that the founders of our country were primarily WASPS with similar backgrounds.

That may be very well so but correct me if I'm wrong but no where in the constitution or the declaration of independence are the words christian, christanity or jesus is mentioned. With that being said the founding fathers did intend for this country to have religious freedom for all not just christians.

[jessejordan419]

I have read somewhere that the actual discussion about religion when our country was founded was about keeping any Chistian DENOMINATION from being established as a State religion, not the exclusion of religion 100% as we now interpret. There apparently are writings (letters to and from the founding fathers) to support this.

And the other question; please point out the Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, followers of Confucious and followers of other world religions that were founding fathers. I am aware of several that were deists, but none of the above mentioned.

So is the old statement that we are the melting pot true or a farce? It appears that the founders of our country were primarily WASPS with similar backgrounds.

The only thing in the Constitution concerning "Religion", was that the Congress could not establish a "National Religion". Here is what is actually in the Constitution:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Therefore, Congress cannot "separate Church from State". That is a total misinterpretation of the Constitution by the forces that wish to shut Christianity out of America. All this says, is basically the Congress cannot establish a "National Religion" as was the case in England, which is why they left.

The "deist" argument falls flat on Thomas Jefferson, and it is an argument atheists try to use. Here is Thomas Jefferson's own words:
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

Thomas Jefferson had as many problems with the Protestant Denominations of his day, as I do with the Denominations of our day. The Great Liar uses Denominations to separate Christians, so that they will not have a positive impact on the world, or at least less of one. If Christians would unite behind Christ, we could change the world for the better. The more we bicker amongst ourselves, the more we lose......


I am not anything but a believer in Christ. I try to follow His teachings as best as I can, and I stumble, but I get up and try again. That is what it means to be a Christian.

[pghin08]

The only thing in the Constitution concerning "Religion", was that the Congress could not establish a "National Religion". Here is what is actually in the Constitution:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Therefore, Congress cannot "separate Church from State". That is a total misinterpretation of the Constitution by the forces that wish to shut Christianity out of America. All this says, is basically the Congress cannot establish a "National Religion" as was the case in England, which is why they left.

The "deist" argument falls flat on Thomas Jefferson, and it is an argument atheists try to use. Here is Thomas Jefferson's own words:
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

Thomas Jefferson had as many problems with the Protestant Denominations of his day, as I do with the Denominations of our day. The Great Liar uses Denominations to separate Christians, so that they will not have a positive impact on the world, or at least less of one. If Christians would unite behind Christ, we could change the world for the better. The more we bicker amongst ourselves, the more we lose......


I am not anything but a believer in Christ. I try to follow His teachings as best as I can, and I stumble, but I get up and try again. That is what it means to be a Christian.

No it's not. The separation of Church and State was brought up by the man you quoted, Thomas Jefferson, in his letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, in which he stated "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." It's not a misinterpretation of the Constitution at all, it has nothing to do with it.

[jessejordan419]

It is absolute fallacy to say that Prayer cannot be allowed in schools because of "separation of Church and State". That is the lame unConstitutional argument used by atheists time and time again. Why do they not cry out about sharia law in our schools and our government? Why are mooslims allowed to advance islam throughout our government, but not Christians allowed to advance Christianity?

Because islam is tyranny. islam actually means, submission. Leftist ideology follows the same path, however, it is the classic tale of the scorpion and the frog. Once islam uses atheism/aclu/leftism to advance islam, they will execute leftists like they will Christians.

islam executes homosexuals, but you don't see leftists cry out about that.
islam enslaves and beats women, but you don't see the left cry about that
islam allows the rape of children, but you don't see the left cry about that.
islam executes anyone that does not bow to islam, but you don't see the left cry about that.
islam punishes education outside of their strict interpretation of everything, but you don't see the left cry about that.

Do I need to go on? And you can say all you want about "WASPS founding this country", but listen to this:

The Rothschilds were the one's who financed George Washington's army at Valley Forge. Without the backing of rich Jewish European families, Washington would not have had the ammunition, arms, food, clothing, etc. to attack and defeat the British. Food for thought when you're trying to deride our founding documents because "WASPS founded this country".

[AUTaxMan]

Here's a good article on the issue.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=123

[AUTaxMan]

No it's not. The separation of Church and State was brought up by the man you quoted, Thomas Jefferson, in his letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, in which he stated "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." It's not a misinterpretation of the Constitution at all, it has nothing to do with it.

That line is taken out of context. Read the article I posted above.

[jessejordan419]

No it's not. The separation of Church and State was brought up by the man you quoted, Thomas Jefferson, in his letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, in which he stated "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." It's not a misinterpretation of the Constitution at all, it has nothing to do with it.

I don't think you understand what you are quoting. Re-read the statement:
'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'

That is what our Constitution says. It says that Congress cannot establish a relgion, OR prohibit the free exercise thereof. That means that you CANNOT prohibit MY free exercise of religion. If I want to put a nativity scene in front of my branch of government, be it state, local, or federal, you cannot prohibit me from doing that. You cannot prohibit me from Praying in the Name of Jesus Christ in a school, army, court, or any other government office.

But leftists have gone against our Constitution, and radical judges have ursurpt their power to only interpret law, instead writing law from the bench. Just as a Republican appointed Chief Justice did with obamacare. He wrote law from the bench, which is unConstitutional, only Congress can write law.

[jessejordan419]

Here's a good article on the issue.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=123

Awesome find!! David Barton is Awesome!! I doubt, however, that the devout followers of leftism will even bother to read concrete fact or evidence. They would rather "believe the lie" than have to admit that they were wrong or lied to.

[mrveggieman]

I don't think you understand what you are quoting. Re-read the statement:
'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'

That is what our Constitution says. It says that Congress cannot establish a relgion, OR prohibit the free exercise thereof. That means that you CANNOT prohibit MY free exercise of religion. If I want to put a nativity scene in front of my branch of government, be it state, local, or federal, you cannot prohibit me from doing that. You cannot prohibit me from Praying in the Name of Jesus Christ in a school, army, court, or any other government office.

But leftists have gone against our Constitution, and radical judges have ursurpt their power to only interpret law, instead writing law from the bench. Just as a Republican appointed Chief Justice did with obamacare. He wrote law from the bench, which is unConstitutional, only Congress can write law.

Using that same logic you cannot prohibit a budhist who is a legal US citizen from placing a statue of Buddah infront of his state, local or federal gov't office nor can any prohibit his legal right to practice buddhism in the united states.