Question about the founding fathers

[Wickabee]

This thread does smell of "We're supposed to be a Christian country"

[JustAlex]

I see you have no answer, so you respond with what if. We are using facts i nthis discussion, not what if.

What's there to answer?

No, there doesn't exists a structured "christian nation" the way muslim nations exists....but so what?

They're both filled with people who do terrible things in the name of their religion, if you think christianity is any better than islam, then you should probably answer why the catholic church continues to protect pedophiles.

And please don't tell me that Protestant and Catholics are different....they are BOTH christian groups.

[ALADOG]

What's there to answer?

No, there doesn't exists a structured "christian nation" the way muslim nations exists....but so what?

They're both filled with people who do terrible things in the name of their religion, if you think christianity is any better than islam, then you should probably answer why the catholic church continues to protect pedophiles.

And please don't tell me that Protestant and Catholics are different....they are BOTH christian groups.

Still no answer, just the same old drivel. When you have no valid response, you resort to what ifs and misrepresentations. Try as you may to justify your position, you have failed. Whne you have a valid comparison, please provide it.

[jessejordan419]

Using that same logic you cannot prohibit a budhist who is a legal US citizen from placing a statue of Buddah infront of his state, local or federal gov't office nor can any prohibit his legal right to practice buddhism in the united states.

Red Herring! More Deflection!! Tactics of the losing side of the debate!

[jessejordan419]

I believe that their original intent was for everyone to be able to peacefully practice his/her chosen religion free of outside interence. Since none of them are around today to confirm if that was indeed their intent, the only avenue available to us is for the SCOTUS the make their best educated guess on the matter.

And who is on SCOTUS? The last 2 members have no judicial experience whatsoever!! And when the Supreme Court goes AGAINST the Constitution, they are in direct violation of our Constitution. Until Judges are appointed who will UPHOLD the Constitution as they SWORE TO DO, this problem with continue.

[JustAlex]

You know what, I'm going to dissect your OP to show you just how ridiculous all of this really is....

I have read somewhere that the actual discussion about religion when our country was founded was about keeping any Chistian DENOMINATION from being established as a State religion, not the exclusion of religion 100% as we now interpret. There apparently are writings (letters to and from the founding fathers) to support this.

Dude, have you EVER heard of the Treaty of Tripoli????

PLEASE look into it....especially this part....

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

And the other question; please point out the Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, followers of Confucious and followers of other world religions that were founding fathers. I am aware of several that were deists, but none of the above mentioned.

LOL, really?

Unbelievable you would even bring this up.....You're doing such a big disservice to other christians on this board that actually try to be moderate.

So is the old statement that we are the melting pot true or a farce? It appears that the founders of our country were primarily WASPS with similar backgrounds.

Yeah, our founders were so big on religion that they said NOTHING about God in the constitution and everything on religion was meant to have a secular government.

[mrveggieman]

Red Herring! More Deflection!! Tactics of the losing side of the debate!

Nevermind you just told us how you feel. Per you if you are not a white male christian you are a second class citizen. Another fine graduate of rush limbaugh university. I'm done with it.

[jessejordan419]

The question is, was it not generaly fair skinned Europeans that founded this country. I have never seen or heard of Muslims, Buddist or others being part of the founding fathers group. There were obviously Jews, who have mostly co-existed with Christians on a friendly basis throughout the years. Could the founding fathers ever imagined the world we live in today?

The Founding Fathers made this country Free to every religion. They have made public statements that said things to the extent of, if this country becomes immoral, this system of government will be corrupted and fail the people. This is exactly what is happening, and has happened for the last 100 years or more. They did intend for the people to be Righteous, because unlawful or unrighteous people cannot be free to govern themselves under this system. That is why we have the problems of today. Not because other religions(besides islam) are in America. It is because American's have been corrupted and immoral, and cannot govern themselves freely.

The people need to become Righteous, and the only example of Righteousness is Jesus the Christ: Yeshua Hamaschia, Son of Elohim, ABBA Father.

And by the way, read about Jefferson's war against radical islam. The war against the pirates of the barbary coast. We have been at war with islam for a thousand years. the forefather's of islam were at war with God and His Chosen People for thousands of years before that.

Isaac's illegitimate half brother ishmael was not legitimate in God's eyes, therefore, he was not to inherit The Promised Land. That is why islam is it war with Israel, and any ally of Israel, the US today; and basically any people who do not submit to islam. This all goes back to ishmael, and furthermore, back to the sons of Cain. Tubal-Cain was the first to implement weapons of iron, and to create war.

[jessejordan419]

HAHAHA....what a perfect thread to show how much christians want to badly impose their beliefs on everyone else.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE should understand that "Separation of Church and State" is to protect both sides.


Man, and people wonder why the U.S is becoming more and more Atheist!

32% and GROWING (Americans who are now either Atheist or have no religion).

It is unwise to throw around false statistics, especially with no source.

[Wickabee]

Red Herring! More Deflection!! Tactics of the losing side of the debate!

Actually he made a very good argument. It is you who is providing the red herring, the deflection, the tactics of the losing side of a debate.

Give him a real response or politely bow out if you have nothing to say.