Question about the founding fathers

[Rockman]

Because islam is tyranny. islam actually means, submission. Leftist ideology follows the same path, however, it is the classic tale of the scorpion and the frog. Once islam uses atheism/aclu/leftism to advance islam, they will execute leftists like they will Christians.

islam executes homosexuals, but you don't see leftists cry out about that.
islam enslaves and beats women, but you don't see the left cry about that
islam allows the rape of children, but you don't see the left cry about that.
islam executes anyone that does not bow to islam, but you don't see the left cry about that.
islam punishes education outside of their strict interpretation of everything, but you don't see the left cry about that.

Can we please stop with this sort of rhetoric. America isn't now, nor ever will be taken over by Islam and Sharia law will never become American law. If you really want to, go ahead and spout whatever tin-foil hat conspiracy narrative you want, it'll be wrong and you'll look and sound stupid doing it.

[ALADOG]

You know what, I'm going to dissect your OP to show you just how ridiculous all of this really is....

Again you attempt to answer with irrelavent and infomation not related to the discussion.

1 Treaties have zero to do with personal correspondence between the founding fathers

2 As you have no answer, your repsonse is LOL. no answer by you

3 Again you answer with irrelavent information about the constitution not the relevant question at hand, the lack of real diversity in our founding fathers.

You should take a reading comprehension class and/or learn to focus on discussing the position posed, not runnig off on a tangent.

[mrveggieman]

The Founding Fathers made this country Free to every religion. They have made public statements that said things to the extent of, if this country becomes immoral, this system of government will be corrupted and fail the people. This is exactly what is happening, and has happened for the last 100 years or more. They did intend for the people to be Righteous, because unlawful or unrighteous people cannot be free to govern themselves under this system. That is why we have the problems of today. Not because other religions(besides islam) are in America. It is because American's have been corrupted and immoral, and cannot govern themselves freely.

The people need to become Righteous, and the only example of Righteousness is Jesus the Christ: Yeshua Hamaschia, Son of Elohim, ABBA Father.

And by the way, read about Jefferson's war against radical islam. The war against the pirates of the barbary coast. We have been at war with islam for a thousand years. the forefather's of islam were at war with God and His Chosen People for thousands of years before that.

Isaac's illegitimate half brother ishmael was not legitimate in God's eyes, therefore, he was not to inherit The Promised Land. That is why islam is it war with Israel, and any ally of Israel, the US today; and basically any people who do not submit to islam. This all goes back to ishmael, and furthermore, back to the sons of Cain. Tubal-Cain was the first to implement weapons of iron, and to create war.

[jessejordan419]

islam executes homosexuals, but you don't see leftists cry out about that.

Christians in Uganda HAVE killed and beaten Homosexuals.
We do not live in Uganda. Show me one example of an African country, with an African leader, who has led his people to prosper. There is none, so any comparison to Africa is baseless.



islam enslaves and beats women, but you don't see the left cry about that

Many Christians have abused women here in the U.S and around the world....and, the bible clearly says that men are above women.

Once again, a red herring deflection. Show me ONE instance of Priests, Pastors, or Ministers that CONDONE the beating of women. There are none in Christianity in America. Do you want present examples of imams all over the Middle East, and probably some in America, that condone this? Their own law; sharia law; condones this. Show me one Christian law that says the same. I will tell you this: Jesus said to love your wife as He loves the Church(by the way, the Church is not a building, it is all Christians).


islam allows the rape of children, but you don't see the left cry about that.

Catholics...YES, they are Christians.....have raped so many little boys that even Sandusky is shocked.

Catholicism is NOT Christianity. I would have to start a whole thread to show you examples of why it is not. That was the reason for Martin Luther's revolt AGAINST Catholicism, once people were allowed to read the Bible for Themselves, with the advent of the printing press, and the KING JAMES BIBLE. But I'm sure you already knew that. Furthermore, Catholic priests are NOT allowed to marry, which is why they are perverted. The Bible says, "The Marriage Bed cannot be defiled." It was never God's intent for Priests of God to be celibate. But once again, nice try.


islam executes anyone that does not bow to islam, but you don't see the left cry about that.

This is probably the only one that Christians don't do.....anymore, they used to be masters of killing anyone that didn't bow down to their beliefs.

Once again, a Red Herring! You are not speaking of Christianity, you are speaking of the Catholic Inquisition, has nothing to do with Christians.



islam punishes education outside of their strict interpretation of everything, but you don't see the left cry about that.

Haha, the irony of this one is too great....

More deflection with no argument. If you cannot list an argument, I cannot refute it.

My responses in Red

[jessejordan419]

Can we please stop with this sort of rhetoric. America isn't now, nor ever will be taken over by Islam and Sharia law will never become American law. If you really want to, go ahead and spout whatever tin-foil hat conspiracy narrative you want, it'll be wrong and you'll look and sound stupid doing it.

You are ignorant of the present actions of the judicial system inside America right now. sharia law HAS BEEN cited in over 50 cases already, as the base for the ruling.

You only profess your own ignorance by showing that you are not educated in this matter.

http://yourdaddy.net/2011/06/01/shar...cross-america/


This is nearly a year old, more cases have cited sharia law since then.

[mrveggieman]

Can we start voting people off of P&R?

[jessejordan419]

I believe the number is very real.

There are MANY atheists that are "In the closet" about their non-belief.....BTW, have you heard of the "Clergy Project":

http://clergyproject.org/

Trust me, I'm VERY INVOLVED in the Atheist community, we are growing....


I've seen more christians than I can count be very "un-christian like".

BTW, how do you think a "Christian run nation" would look like?

IMO....exactly like a Muslim run nation.

atheism is growing because the Church is Falling Away, and MANY False Prophets come in the name of Jesus. As He said, "In that day, many will say, Lord Lord, we did this or that in your name. And I will say, be gone workers of iniquity, I NEVER KNEW YOU." This is the state of the Church in the lead up to the Tribulation.

Christians are not your example. Jesus is Christianities ONLY example. Christians are supposed to be the Salt of the Earth, and the Light of the World. However, when Ministers shirk their responsibility to preach the WHOLE TRUTH, the Falling Away will happen. I left the Church over 12 years ago because I did not feel the Holy Spirit there. I never heard preaching against sin, I never heard anything at all accept broad generalizations that make people feel good.

Right preaching will convict your heart, and encourage you to follow Christ in a more Righteous way.

[JustAlex]

It is unwise to throw around false statistics, especially with no source.

I'm not sure how you missed it but here it is again:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...-nonreligious/

Yeah buddy.....32% according to Gallop are NON-Religious in the U.S....

Again you attempt to answer with irrelavent and infomation not related to the discussion.

1 Treaties have zero to do with personal correspondence between the founding fathers

2 As you have no answer, your repsonse is LOL. no answer by you

3 Again you answer with irrelavent information about the constitution not the relevant question at hand, the lack of real diversity in our founding fathers.

You should take a reading comprehension class and/or learn to focus on discussing the position posed, not runnig off on a tangent.

This will probably be the last response I do to you, because I feel like you're not reading anything and you're just sticking to your ridiculous notions that have ZERO evidence.

The Treaty of Tripoli was signed by JOHN ADAMS who was President at the time and guess what else....he was one of our founding fathers!

While most of our founding fathers were indeed christian they also believed in a SECULAR government and the SCOTUS agrees with that realization.

Seriously bro, read up on this, you'll learn a thing or two.

[theonedru]

People do realize that when this constitution was written you know that any term like "all men" or "we the people" or anything to that effect excluded minorities and women as they were not viewed as peoples.... as such what is really so great about it all.

[Wickabee]

You know Jesse, you accuse everyone of "red herrings" and "deflection" but you're the absolute worst offender.

I don't know how you think that acting as a false-prophet zealot has anything to do with "truth" but you're nowhere near. I fact, as far as "The Great Liar" goes, I think you need to rethink who you're really serving, because it sure isn't God.