The other choice

[shrewsbury]

Here is the other choice for us republicans who are not on the same ride with the rest of our party

Obama on jobs

national unemployment up 3% since he took office
teen unemployment up 3%
employment population rate 5% decrease

Obama on blacks

black unemployment up 20%+
black teen unemployment up higher than white teens

Obama on Welfare

11 million more people receiving some form of federal welfare

Obama on Military use

Continue in Iraq
Continue in Afghanistan
Pakistan
Libya
Bin Laden
first to kill US citizen
Yemen
Somalia

Obama on Gay Marriage
nothing but coming to the conclusion he was ok with it

Obama on Women's rights

prochoice, i will give him that
nothing on equal pay


Obama on National Debt

5.566 trillion dollar increase

Obama on spending

with taking out the numbers that he had no control of we see an increase of 740 billion

[Wickabee]

I'm going to say two things and only one is a defense of Obama.

1 - Re: Gay Marriage: What he said was he's for it, but it's not up to the federal government but is instead a state issue which he has no business sticking his nose in. For my money, even if he said he was against it, the rest is the perfect answer.

2 - What's your source on this. I'm just wondering.

[duwal]

but the unemployment numbers aren't because jobs are not out there, it is because there are a lot of people that would rather collect unemployment instead of taking a job they think is beneath them. Like there is a member on here that said he has been unemployed for 3 years. Obama's fault right??? No, because when brought up the idea of taking a lesser, entry level position job he scoffed and said no those are for the Mexicans or were all being taken up by Mexicans. My law firm currently has 13 positions available, they've also hired 70 people so far this year with other people either retiring, leaving for different jobs or the firm needing additional help for workloads along with the new additions of summer associates accepting a position. Jobs are there in every town, pages of listings in every larger newspaper. If the unemployment rate goes up it is because people are lazy and not lower their ego or sit on their butt and collect until it runs out

[habsheaven]

Here is the other choice for us republicans who are not on the same ride with the rest of our party

Obama on jobs

national unemployment up 3% since he took office
teen unemployment up 3%
employment population rate 5% decrease

Obama on blacks

black unemployment up 20%+
black teen unemployment up higher than white teens

Obama on Welfare

11 million more people receiving some form of federal welfare

All your numbers are skewed by the fact that things got progressively worse after he took office through no fault of his. 4.2 million private sector jobs created since 2009. Things are improving.

Obama on Military use

Continue in Iraq - continue? that is your best description of the troop levels? totally dishonest.
Continue in Afghanistan
Pakistan
Libya
Bin Laden
first to kill US citizen - keep telling yourself that.
Yemen
Somalia

Not sure if you are saying the others are good or bad

Obama on Gay Marriage
nothing but coming to the conclusion he was ok with it

That's a start. Something the GOP will never wake up to.

Obama on Women's rights

prochoice, i will give him that
nothing on equal pay

Compared to the GOP, he looks pretty darn good.


Obama on National Debt

5.566 trillion dollar increase

It's been increasing every year for the last 50 years. He has had to deal with a recession like few other.

Obama on spending

with taking out the numbers that he had no control of we see an increase of 740 billion

He has had to deal with a recession like few other.

Responses in bold.

[shrewsbury]

habs, not saying anything is good or bad, but facts, and no numbers are skewed, in fact some are in Obama's favor. and as far as jobs created, it does not equal the standard for the rate to stay unchanged, more people are entering the workforce than leaving.

wickabee,

here are a few, lmk if you need any more

bureau of laor stats

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

white house spokeman carney

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...h6nU_blog.html

new york times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...pagewanted=all

[shrewsbury]

duwal, yes i would say Obama could have increased the job market rather than wasting the stimulus on failed alternative energy. he could also make entitlements have better standards and people like you mentioned would be forced to get a job or be homeless.

nobody has anything else? my sources were nearly all liberal approved sources for my numbers, but no comments.

so people here still think Obama did a good job and will do a good job again?

[Wickabee]

duwal, yes i would say Obama could have increased the job market rather than wasting the stimulus on failed alternative energy. he could also make entitlements have better standards and people like you mentioned would be forced to get a job or be homeless.

nobody has anything else? my sources were nearly all liberal approved sources for my numbers, but no comments.

so people here still think Obama did a good job and will do a good job again?

No, but I do think he'll do a better job than Romney.

[duane1969]

but the unemployment numbers aren't because jobs are not out there, it is because there are a lot of people that would rather collect unemployment instead of taking a job they think is beneath them. Like there is a member on here named Dunndeal that said he has been unemployed for 3 years. Obama's fault right??? No, because when brought up the idea of taking a lesser, entry level position job he scoffed and said no those are for the Mexicans or were all being taken up by Mexicans. My law firm currently has 13 positions available, they've also hired 70 people so far this year with other people either retiring, leaving for different jobs or the firm needing additional help for workloads along with the new additions of summer associates accepting a position. Jobs are there in every town, pages of listings in every larger newspaper. If the unemployment rate goes up it is because people are lazy and not lower their ego or sit on their butt and collect until it runs out

Equally relevant are the companies that won't hire someone because they are "overqualified". I have talked to several people who I went to college with who remain unemployed and have been outright told that the fact that they have a BS makes them too qualified for the lower paying jobs that they are applying for. At the same time many higher paying jobs have their "pick of the litter" and only take someone with experience or someone who has connections or friends that can help them get the job.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that in some areas there are jobs to be had, but not everywhere. In my area there are jobs that range from $12-$14k a year right up to $40k a year. I also know of other areas that have businesses that have stopped taking applications because they already have a big pile of applicants and are not hiring.

No, but I do think he'll do a better job than Romney.

Thats a cop out. I am not a Romney person, but saying that he would do worse without proof is pretty weak. After 4 years we have definitive proof that Obama is inept and unsuccessful.

[shrewsbury]

wickabee, it is a crazy gamble either way.

do i choose someone who has proven not to be able to turn things around?
or for someone who hasn't proven anything either way?

romney could be worse or better, there is no real way to know.

[theonedru]

After 4 years we have definitive proof that Obama is inept and unsuccessful.

after decades of going back and forth electing Reps and dems its pretty obvious that they are all inept.