Wake Up by Samuel Jackson

[shrewsbury]

yep, really

someone publicly states they vote by race and it is ok to take their advice?

not much more is as racist as that

but it is ok, but it has to do with obama?

[Wickabee]

yep, really

someone publicly states they vote by race and it is ok to take their advice?

not much more is as racist as that

but it is ok, but it has to do with obama?

So no one has directly responded? I guess I never agreed on page one...

[habsheaven]

So no one has directly responded? I guess I never agreed on page one...

I was referring to veggie in this thread, and to many of the regulars in general, in other threads. As for your response to him. You sort of agreed with him, then morphed his thought to include everyone that voted based on skin colour. The people you are speaking of are not making recruitment videos.

[Wickabee]

I was referring to veggie in this thread, and to many of the regulars in general, in other threads. As for your response to him. You sort of agreed with him, then morphed his thought to include everyone that voted based on skin colour. The people you are speaking of are not making recruitment videos.

No, the people I'm speaking to are denouncing Jackson's racism, but ignoring the racism going the other way because:
A - It is not beneficial to those individuals to admit there are people who voted against Obama because of his colour. Some people are trying to paint black people as the only ones capable of voting on race, simply because some have actually come out and admitted it. I have more respect for Jackson saying it than for anybody who votes with the same logic and then claims not to be racist. Unfortunately, those liars stay in the dark, afraid of what others will say.
B - No white people have admitted to voting McCain or planning on voting Romney because of Obama's colour, though we all know they exist in numbers.

So, if both sides have people (stupidly) voting on colour, which side is worse? The side that's up front about it or those who hide in the shadows and will not admit what they have done?

[mrveggieman]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama is complete unqualified and only Black people will vote for him because he is black. According to the census blacks only make up 12% of the US population. My question is who else is voting for Obama and why is Romney not winning in a landslide? The answer is yes some people from both sides will only vote because of race but even if you eliminate that amount the best man for the job is clearly President Obama and he will easily defeat that clown mitt romney.

[habsheaven]

No, the people I'm speaking to are denouncing Jackson's racism, but ignoring the racism going the other way because:
A - It is not beneficial to those individuals to admit there are people who voted against Obama because of his colour. Some people are trying to paint black people as the only ones capable of voting on race, simply because some have actually come out and admitted it. I have more respect for Jackson saying it than for anybody who votes with the same logic and then claims not to be racist. Unfortunately, those liars stay in the dark, afraid of what others will say.
B - No white people have admitted to voting McCain or planning on voting Romney because of Obama's colour, though we all know they exist in numbers.

So, if both sides have people (stupidly) voting on colour, which side is worse? The side that's up front about it or those who hide in the shadows and will not admit what they have done?

I thought you were speaking to ensbergcollector, my mistake. Silly assumption on my part because you quoted him. Replied to him, and followed up with your comment. Of course there are people on both sides that vote simply based on colour. I don't think ensbergcollector implied otherwise. He spoke about Jackson because Jackson is actively recruiting people to vote. IMO, no one is racist if they choose to vote for a candidate that "looks like themselves". That's a comfort thing. It takes a lot more than that to earn a racist label. Much like people voting for good-looking candidates more so than ugly ones.

[Wickabee]

I thought you were speaking to ensbergcollector, my mistake. Silly assumption on my part because you quoted him. Replied to him, and followed up with your comment. Of course there are people on both sides that vote simply based on colour. I don't think ensbergcollector implied otherwise. He spoke about Jackson because Jackson is actively recruiting people to vote. IMO, no one is racist if they choose to vote for a candidate that "looks like themselves". That's a comfort thing. It takes a lot more than that to earn a racist label. Much like people voting for good-looking candidates more so than ugly ones.

I'm talking to him and anyone else who wants to point out racism on the other side without acknowledging their own. Yes, that includes veggie, but he's pretty open about the issue and I don't believe he votes that way.

Ensberg wasn't commenting because Jackson made a video. He commented because Jackson publicly said why he voted how he did. Ensberg seems to think this is only a problem among blacks, because only blacks actually admit it. Who's worse, the ones who vote on colour and admit it, or the ones who vote on colour and hide it?

Just don't pretend no white people did vote for McCain or will vote for Romney based on colour. If you listen to people like ensberg, it never EVER happens whatsoever.

Oh, and don't talk to me like I'm an idiot.

[duwal]

Everyone on faux news votes against Obama because he is black but you still take their advice.

I had talked to plenty of Republican colleagues over on the southern and eastern coasts and they pretty said that only they used much more derogatory descriptions than black

[shrewsbury]

i have never heard a white person say they did not vote for obama because of his race. i have heard black people say they did vote for him based on his race.

if i don't vote for obama because he is black, or if i vote for romney because he is white, i would be a racist, no two ways about it.

if someone votes for someone based on their race they are a racist. you can't sugarcoat it any other way.

i think the % of people who did not vote for obama do to his race is just as high as the ones that voted for him do to his race, and both are a small percent and both are racist.

if you favor anyone do to their race you are a racist. there is no two ways about it. it is the definition of racism!!

[Wickabee]

i have never heard a white person say they did not vote for obama because of his race. i have heard black people say they did vote for him based on his race.

Unless you truly believe the people who ADMIT it is equal to the reality of it and therefor nobody voted against Obama because he's black, I'll ask again:
Who's worse, the people voting for Obama on colour and being honest about it, or those voting against him because of colour and hiding it?