Mass Immigration - Who Does it Help?

[tpeichel]

Corporations support amnesty because it will give them much more cheap labor, it will drive down wages, and they won't have to worry about fines for hiring illegals.

The increased competition will hinder low skilled Americans from getting off food stamps, unemployment, etc which will continue to burden the middle class taxpayers who must support them.

[tpeichel]

So far the liberal rebuttals to my post have basically been racist and troll.

If you have some great arguments about the value of mass immigration, I'd love to hear them, but just know that if you use government sources I will be quite skeptical because this is an administration that has told us that Obamacare would drive down healthcare costs, a video caused the Benghazi riots, and that the government wasn't spying on us.

[Wickabee]

You make 0 sense. On one hand you conservatives scream that corporations are people too and are in favor of big business then turn around and claim that illegal immigrants some how help those big business that you love so much. Sorry buddy but you can't have it both ways.

Some people think the entire third world is Africa and Mexico. These people think this so they can sleep at night knowing those people in Bangladesh making your shoes for 2¢ a day aren't being abused because they're not "third world."

Pedicel, I think your mistake was trying to claim this isn't along political lines. You're spewing the party line on this and every subject. The media, mainstream and otherwise, has divided the entire continent into Liberals and Conservatives so that we'll all watch while the parties fight. Now, I'm not saying one way or the other on this particular issue, but you made the entire thread about party lines in your first post.

That's what's going to kill us.

[tpeichel]

Plenty of "conservatives" are supporting mass immigration so this issue is not simply across party lines.

Regardless, you have yet to present a compelling argument for the benefits of mass immigration. You say it is great for the foreigners, but unfortunately it comes at the expense of citizens.

Is there a point where opposition to third world mass migration does not become racist? Is the number 20 million? 30 million? 50 million? 100 million?

At some point importing so many people with low education, low skills, and different cultural beliefs has to significantly change the host country, no?

[Wickabee]

Who said I was trying to defend it. I'm saying everything breaks down to party in the end.
Case in point, where's Rubio?

[shrewsbury]

so 47 million new taxpayers is not good? 47 million new citizens who can enter the fields of science, education, and politics is not good? 47 million new friends and neighbors is not good?

[mrveggieman]

Not to veer off topic but illegal immigration wouldn't sting as much if there was a fair tax. That way we could still collect tax revenue off of them just like we could with legals.

[JustAlex]

Conservatives know very well what's going on.

To their credit (and I HATE to give them ANY credit) they understand that Hispanics are NOT conservatives and will NOT vote for the GOP.

Meaning that the immigration bill only cements more votes for future democrats and makes it even harder for the GOP to ever win again at the national level.

And to that I say......GOOD!

I can't wait for the day that GOP is long gone and forgotten.


Anyways, this is still the biggest reason why they are so against this....everything else they say is nonsense excuses.

[tpeichel]

so 47 million new taxpayers is not good? 47 million new citizens who can enter the fields of science, education, and politics is not good? 47 million new friends and neighbors is not good?

Low income workers will not pay income tax. The 7.1% FICA the government collects from their low income will in no way cover what they collect from the government in healthcare, food, education, scholarships, etc. along with benefits that many of them will be eligible for as a minority U.S. citizens.

Those with higher education will be competing with all of the unemployed recent graduates as well as other unemployed.

I'm not sure how people can look at adding 47 million foreigners as positive when we can't educate or employ the citizens that we have. Are we going to start borrowing $2 trillion per year instead of over $1 trillion to try and keep this system afloat?

[tpeichel]

"Although as to other foreigners it is thought better to discourage their settling together in large masses, wherein, as in our German settlements, they preserve for a long time their own languages, habits, and principles of government, and that they should distribute themselves sparsely among the natives for quicker amalgamation, yet English emigrants are without this inconvenience. They differ from us little but in their principles of government, and most of those (merchants excepted) who come here, are sufficiently disposed to adopt ours." --Thomas Jefferson to George Flower, 1817. ME 15:140