COSMOS....General discussion thread.

[habsheaven]

It did. Absolutely no offense to you, but if you pay attention and watch it, it's really easy to catch.


I took the dictionary definition. It's not "something I agree with" it's the definition of a word.

As for knowledge, agnosticism is, simply put, the BELIEF that God is unknowable, and so is his existence. Yes, it is about knowledge, but it is a BELIEF about the potential for knowledge, not knowledge itself.

It is also a term for someone who simply takes neither side. Either way, anyone who believes God can be known, or disproved, or takes any side in that argument is NOT agnostic. NDG is, by accepted definition, because he simply takes no side.

Just re-watched the video, she said one curse word in the whole 5:40 video. And I believe the band at the end, which I didn't watch the first time, said the F word once. You are right. How could I ever have missed all of that offensive language? Must not have been paying attention. SMH

[Wickabee]

Just re-watched the video, she said one curse word in the whole 5:40 video. And I believe the band at the end, which I didn't watch the first time, said the F word once. You are right. How could I ever have missed all of that offensive language? Must not have been paying attention. SMH

Well, there's two instances you found on a second watch. But enough with the deflections. Explain to me how a word with a definition starting with "the belief that..." is, in fact, not a belief.

[habsheaven]

You skip the part where agnosticism is the belief that god is unknowable. What you're saying is that the the knowledge that god is unknowable is "agnosticism".

You said yourself that knowledge and belief are two different things. Agnosticism is a belief regarding knowledge and god. You literally see the word "knowledge" and take it to be the entire definition. You again pick and choose regarding your own ideas, not reality. Agnosticism is a belief regarding knowledge of god. There's no way around it, unless you skip por tions, which you've done.

And you want to talk grade school reading...

Find someone on this messageboard that agrees with you.

[habsheaven]

Well, there's two instances you found on a second watch. But enough with the deflections. Explain to me how a word with a definition starting with "the belief that..." is, in fact, not a belief.

Did you find more instances? Or was it just another deflection on your part. Much like how you minimized the speaker in the video. Did you watch the video? Did you hear what the "pretty girl" had to say? She explained it perfectly. You didn't refute her logic.

[Wickabee]

Find someone on this messageboard that agrees with you.

I don't have to. The dictionary does. Any definition that starts with "The belief that" can only mean the word refers to a belief. Again, Agnosticism is not the knowledge that knowledge of God is impossible. It's the Belief that God is unknowable. Look at that again.

It's the belief.

[Wickabee]

Did you find more instances? Or was it just another deflection on your part.

No. It was letting you know that you missed some things which were said (shocker) and posted a video that you should not have. I let you know about it before someone reported you. You're welcome.

Much like how you minimized the speaker in the video.

I didn't minimize the speaker so much as compare her to the dictionary with definitions that don't require a video and incredibly long (and condescending) explanation. It simply says "The belief that" and tells you what agnosticism is the belief of. Simple.

Did you watch the video?

Yes. I'm the one who pointed out that you posted inappropriate material. And since it was oh so difficult to find, you know I actually watched, and listened.

You didn't catch it on the first try. Did you watch it before you posted it?

Did you hear what the "pretty girl" had to say?

Again, I'm the one who heard her swearing, which you didn't. The fact you're questioning this shows you ignore facts.

She explained it perfectly. You didn't refute her logic.

I didn't. The thing is there are some things even logic is wrong about, and this is one of them. Sure, you can use roundabout logic to say what she says. You can also use roundabout logic to assume a dinette set is really tiny, that doesn't make it true.

In this case, I don't need to use logic. I have a dictionary. You should get one.

[Wickabee]

Also, I called her "somewhat pretty". Get something right at least.

[Wickabee]

I can do it this way:

1
: [b]a person who holds the view/b] that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable

There are a lot of definitions for the word view, all of which can be viewed here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/view
But the most relevant meaning would be: "an opinion or judgment colored by the feeling or bias of its holder".
And opinion means: "a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing"

So the word regards opinion, judgement, belief, though it does take a little thought, and understanding what the word "view" means to decipher this code.

ag·nos·tic (ăg-nŏs′tĭk)
n.
1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

Ok. The word refers to one, a person. So it is a person who what, who believes something, believes what, believes it's impossible to know if God exists or not.
So an agnostic is a person who believes...I don't have to go any farther. It's right there in the definition you gave me, simple as can be.

Here, I'll show you again

One who believes

Again, tough to decipher, but going in to learn, instead of prove a made up point, is the key to understanding the first three words of a sentence.

2.

agnostic
Someone who is not arrogant enough to
think they KNOW whether God exists or not.

I'm just going to point out you presented urbandictionary.com as a legitimate source material and move on. That's not worth a response. I can post whatever I want there, so can you. In fact, for all I know, you literally posted that yourself. I'm not even going to go into what your posting that says about you, just point out that it was suggested I look up the definition for "steak and blow job day" next.

Well done. All intellectual conversations lead to urban flipping dictionary.

ag·nos·tic

[ag-nos-tik] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature ofthings are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

That again describes a belief. You hold a belief. You can literally replace "a person who holds" with "One who believes". You're giving me definitions that directly prove my point. Funny how you like to accuse me of roundabout arguments, but after inappropriate video and post after post of garbage, you finally give some actual facts, and they overwhelmingly call it a belief, view or opinion.

Except for that arrogance one, but you know, urban dictionary.

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable

I've already gone over that "view" in this context means "belief". I won't go into the hazards of Wikipedia.

If someone believes they cannot know whether or not God exists, label them anagnostic.

So? Atheists claim there is no God. Theists claim there is a God. Those are absolute statements. Agnostics don't know and, in fact, BELIEVE it's impossible to.

The atheist who holds open the possibility of God (ie: thinks s/he knows God doesn't exist) is no different from the man who goes to church and has no faith. Both are agnostic because of their actual BELIEFS.

agnostic

noun [C] /æɡˈnɒs.tɪk/ /-ˈnɑː.stɪk/
› someone who does not know, or believes that it is impossible to know, if a godexists:

Exactly. You call yourself an atheist. By definition, you "know" god doesn't exist because by calling yourself an atheist you claim the absolute that there is no God. As a theist, I claim the absolute that there is. Someone who can't make a decision is an agnostic. I've explained this before, you continue to call yourself atheist, which is to claim to know god doesn't exist. Just as you see theists as thinking they know god does exist.

We can't know. You can call us all agnostics, ignorant or idiots, it doesn't matter. What you're using agnosticism to describe is not actual agnosticism. It's human limitation.

Notice what they all have in common: knowledge, not belief

What I did notice is 2 things:

1: only 2 of those didn't call agnosticism a belief.
2: one of those 2 was urban dictionary.

Nuff said.

[habsheaven]

Continue in your ignorance. It's a shame everyone else reading this is too busy being entertained by your embarrassment to bother setting you straight. They at least owe you that for the time you spend here.

[Wickabee]

Continue in your ignorance. It's a shame everyone else reading this is too busy being entertained by your embarrassment to bother setting you straight. They at least owe you that for the time you spend here.

Oh listen to it.

You posted no less than 5 definitions from reputable sources, 4 of which outright agreed with my assessment (which has always been straight from a dictionary, never youtube), and 1 of which did agree with my assessment, but weakly allowed for yours. Using "opinion" "view" "judgment" to try and say it isn't a belief is laughable.

Add in the definition I gave and 5 say I'm right while only one says you're right, but it says I'm right too. In sports terms, it's 5.5 - 0.5. But you're right. I'm the embarrassed one.

You posted a video with inappropriate language that gave us the wisdom of a teenage girl as a legitimate means to refute the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. But you're right, I'm the embarrassed one.

I'm so embarrassed that you took the time to prove yourself wrong. I'm so embarrassed I used the Merriam-Webster Dictionary as a source while you chose YouTube and urban dictionary as sources. I'm embarrassed that I paid enough attention to the video to catch two instances of profanity, while you posted without paying enough attention to catch even one. I am certainly embarrassed that you have done little more than prove you work on half the story, half the definition, half the video. You have even only respond to half a post most of the time. Yup, I sure am embarrassed about all that.

I bet youre going to tell me I'm the one projecting too. Usually happens about this point.