2018 WJC imminent arrests

[moose7766]

As of now, the 5 players responsible for Canada’s 2018 WJC incident based purely on leave of absence being granted to players…
Carter Hart
Dillon Dube
Michael McLeod
Cal Foote
Alex Formenton

Can you say RC Dump?

[piper1]

https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/rep...lice-1.2066984

[RGM81]

Rick Westhead has done some incredible journalism throughout this horrible, awful story. I don't give Twitter shout-outs often, but you can follow him here:
https://twitter.com/rwesthead



For the story at hand, it's been a long time coming with this announcement today, and hopefully the legal system will go through its due process to bring about closure for the victim involved in this case.

[jameslacarte]

What a stain on Canada!! & Then to see the Team Canada Big wigs try to cover this up is sickening!!
I knew something was up when Hart asked for a leave of absence from the Flyers..
If those 5 players did this & it's looking like they did, I hope they all go to Prison!! They love Rapists in there!!

[moose7766]

For Carter Hart in particular, I have no idea what he was thinking. His career is probably over. If they do any jail time, and that's likely, no team will touch them. The days of Craig MacTavish are over. The other thing too is, everyone is innocent until proven guilty true, but the police would not move to this step, in this matter, unless they had all their ducks in a row before coming down like this. That means, they have all the proof they need, so it's unlikely there's a not guilty verdict coming for any of them, given the politics involved in this.

What a stain on Canada!! & Then to see the Team Canada Big wigs try to cover this up is sickening!!
I knew something was up when Hart asked for a leave of absence from the Flyers..
If those 5 players did this & it's looking like they did, I hope they all go to Prison!! They love Rapists in there!!

[doniceage]

She alleged that she met some of the players at a bar following the gala and went back to a hotel in the London area, where they engaged in consensual sexual acts.

But she claims that seven other members then entered the room, and she was subjected to sexual assault.

Seen five named above so I assume they are the included in the group of 7 that entered the room later.

Does anyone know if the dollar amount was ever release what Hockey Canada settled for? So, this is just another lawsuit against the 7 players for 3.55 million and excludes Hockey Canada as they already paid up for whatever they settled earlier. I hope the lady get justice in this case agains the 7 players.


DON

[RGM81]

So there were apparently others who entered the room, and peaced out after seeing what was happening and/or they didn't have enough evidence to press charges at this time. This is criminal proceedings here now, with the potential prospect of jail time. The civil case that was settled, all the details are here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hockey-canada-sexual-assault-crisis-parliamentary-committee-1.6535248

Please note that there are some rather graphic details in this story.

[moose7766]

Interestingly, note the comments from Cale Makar, who, in the past, told investigators he wasn't even present in London at the time of the incident, as he was training in Colorado at the time prepping for NHL training camp. Same with Robert Thomas. Cale did note, however, that he told investigators what he knew, and would gladly help in the on-going investigation.

This is ominous for members of the 2003 team, who are now under the microscope too. Those guys are older, with their own families. Imagine of something surfaces on them, and they then have to go back and tell their families (and maybe daughters too) why they are now in deep trouble. Not envious of them there.

So there were apparently others who entered the room, and peaced out after seeing what was happening and/or they didn't have enough evidence to press charges at this time. This is criminal proceedings here now, with the potential prospect of jail time. The civil case that was settled, all the details are here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hockey-canada-sexual-assault-crisis-parliamentary-committee-1.6535248

Please note that there are some rather graphic details in this story.

[theboxbreaker96]

For Carter Hart in particular, I have no idea what he was thinking. His career is probably over. If they do any jail time, and that's likely, no team will touch them. The days of Craig MacTavish are over. The other thing too is, everyone is innocent until proven guilty true, but the police would not move to this step, in this matter, unless they had all their ducks in a row before coming down like this. That means, they have all the proof they need, so it's unlikely there's a not guilty verdict coming for any of them, given the politics involved in this.

I imagine they have evidence of other players statements saying they saw/heard about what happened. Its also possible theyre producing charges given its 2024 and only going off of he said she said assuming all the players statements/testimony are the same. If its the latter and they have zero actual evidence which would be the case in this scenario, how do you convict with no evidence? So either they have video evidence (which i dont think there is), players statements that tell what happened, or they have nothing but he said she said which is often the case in SA cases. Will be interesting to see what they have and if "other players have turned them in"

[30ranfordfan]

I imagine they have evidence of other players statements saying they saw/heard about what happened. Its also possible theyre producing charges given its 2024 and only going off of he said she said assuming all the players statements/testimony are the same. If its the latter and they have zero actual evidence which would be the case in this scenario, how do you convict with no evidence? So either they have video evidence (which i dont think there is), players statements that tell what happened, or they have nothing but he said she said which is often the case in SA cases. Will be interesting to see what they have and if "other players have turned them in"

The bolded part.... among the rumors that were flying around when this story first broke (two years ago?) was that there was a video (in addition to the one they got her to film afterwards, saying she was cool with it).

I don't think there is any doubt that she went back to a hotel room with one player, and that was all consensual. There is also little doubt in my mind that the player then invited a bunch of other players to join him. Some did, it sounds like one or two may have shown up and then walked away. I don't think anyone is going to claim that the group sex didn't happen. The only questions that really exists is weather or not she consented.

Not sure that a video makes much of a difference anyway, unless it's showing how intoxicated she was - thus completely removing any notion that she could have consented.

I've never been a young woman, but I have a hard time imagining a young woman being into have sex with a group of guys, and then crying about it to her mother the next day.

Consent, in this case, is also a legal concept, not just a moral one. Being drunk, scared, and coerced into letting something happen won't hold up legally as consent. Even if the player who organized the gang bang got her to say on video after the fact that she wanted it.


I've seen a ton of comments on various articles about this story. A lot of folks saying she's just looking for a payday. She already got her payday (I believe $3.5m from Hockey Canada). That was a civil matter, and likely absolves hockey Canada of any further action. It doesn't absolve any of the players involved of criminal charges, and I suppose she could go after them civilly too - but I don't get the sense that's what's going to happen here:

After all the (national) outrage in Canada, over Hockey Canada covering this up, and the London Police sweeping it under the rug - the Police were shamed into reopening the investigation. I don't believe this is her pressing charges. This is the crown pressing charges.

I would imagine that unless there is compelling evidence that exonerates these players, the KHL is the best they'll be able to do as far as pro hockey goes, ever again. I also don't think that evidence exists, and all five of these guys are done. Maybe another one or two to join them still?


The comparison to Craig MacTavish was made earlier in this thread. Please do not take this as me excusing what he did, but IMO I think while the consequences of what MacTavish did are arguably worse, I also think morally what these players allegedly did was worse than MacTavish. For those not aware, Craig MacTavish, back in 1984, killed a woman in a drunk driving incident. He was playing for the Bruins at the time. He got a year in jail, and then was traded to the Oilers. What MacTavish did was awful, irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. A woman lost her life due to how reckless he was.

It was the 80s, and society didn't take drunk driving as seriously as it does today. I'm not sure how long someone would be locked up for a similar incident today - but I have to assume longer. In today's climate, fueled by social media, I do think a player did something like that would have a hard time coming back - but I don't think it would be impossible.

What MacTavish did was awful, but I don't think he set out to be awful. That's the difference here. He did something terrible, without setting out to do something terrible. The players involved in this Team Canada scandal decided to do something awful, for their own gratification. I think that's a huge difference, and why this is probably impossible for them to come back from (and rightfully so).